Wildcard weekend lineup proves need for playoff changes

CashAndFlash · 01-03-2011, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That doesn't make any sense. I already said that the division winner should make the playoffs. So Tampa still would not have made it this year.

If it was you win your division or shut up then you wouldn't have wild card teams. You would have 4 teams and 4 teams only. All I said is that they should reseat before the first playoff game. There should be no extra benefit of winning your division beside making the playoffs.

If the NFL wants every game to be competitive, and if they want teams to play every week- well this is one way to accomplish this.

changing the playoff format would be as reactionary as changing the overtime format. I disagree with both.

spkb25 · 01-03-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by CashAndFlash

changing the playoff format would be as reactionary as changing the overtime format. I disagree with both.

I am not sure I follow the logic- but basically you are saying that you don't make a change because of a perceived flaw?

I am not sure I agree, but that is your opinion.

The OT format I liked previously because I thought it added more excitement. I like sudden death. I see the logic to the new system

For the playoffs I think you can look at it as improving the overall game by making all games important. Just my opinion.

Most changes are reactionary- I am not sure that argument holds much water.

I respect your opinion though.

CashAndFlash · 01-03-2011, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I am not sure I follow the logic- but basically you are saying that you don't make a change because of a perceived flaw?

I am not sure I agree, but that is your opinion.

The OT format I liked previously because I thought it added more excitement. I like sudden death. I see the logic to the new system

For the playoffs I think you can look at it as improving the overall game by making all games important. Just my opinion.

Most changes are reactionary- I am not sure that argument holds much water.

I respect your opinion though.

I just see it as being the same argument.

It "wasn't fair" that the Vikings lost that way last year.

It "isn't fair" that the Saints don't get to host a playoff game.

I, too, liked the sudden death format. I think if they had to change it, they should give both teams a chance to score, and if both do, let it run out the whole 15 minutes before declaring a victor.

CashAndFlash · 01-03-2011, 10:15 AM

It's fine, ball just didn't bounce our way this year.

NOLA54 · 01-03-2011, 11:28 AM

The NFL is never going to change the playoff seeding. We should not over look this game with the Hawks. also remember the Saints have lost more games at home then on the road. Once GB beats the Eagles the Falcons will be next. We take care of business in Seattle & Chicago then we play the NFC championship at home.

Budsdrinker · 01-03-2011, 12:15 PM

Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't derserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion.

UK_WhoDat · 01-03-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't deserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion.

Good spot.

Good point.

Euphoria · 01-03-2011, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't derserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion.

WOW, I didn't see that. Now I have to rethink my whole view on this subject.

I still feel the system isn't broke at all and it encourages teams to go out and win every game not just those six.

With this logic Raiders should be complaining like mad, for them the system is broke. Technically the Raiders should be the Division Champs and should represent their division.

skymike · 01-03-2011, 04:17 PM

Im old and im tired of seeing changes, just for the sake of changes.

I'd like to see one thing stay the same.

The only change I like since 1975 is cell phones, but just for making calls.

And now for my serious answer:

Life isnt fair. We used to be a good team in the same division with Joe Montana, and John Robinson's Rams. It wasnt fair back then either, but
we all started out 0-0. If you win, you win, and it doesnt matter what happens elsewhere. We should have beat the Browns, should not have let Ray Rice run over us, should kick 11 yard FG's, and damn sure shouldnt lose to the dumbazz CARDINALS!

It is crazy, but Im glad to be us, and its a great day to be a Saint!

saintfan · 01-03-2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Im old and im tired of seeing changes, just for the sake of changes.

I'd like to see one thing stay the same.

The only change I like since 1975 is cell phones, but just for making calls.

Uh huh. What about internet porn? Huh? Huh?

01-03-2011, 10:21 AM	#1
CashAndFlash Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 30 miles from Paradis Posts: 602 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by spkb25 That doesn't make any sense. I already said that the division winner should make the playoffs. So Tampa still would not have made it this year. If it was you win your division or shut up then you wouldn't have wild card teams. You would have 4 teams and 4 teams only. All I said is that they should reseat before the first playoff game. There should be no extra benefit of winning your division beside making the playoffs. If the NFL wants every game to be competitive, and if they want teams to play every week- well this is one way to accomplish this. changing the playoff format would be as reactionary as changing the overtime format. I disagree with both.

01-03-2011, 10:30 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Originally Posted by CashAndFlash changing the playoff format would be as reactionary as changing the overtime format. I disagree with both. I am not sure I follow the logic- but basically you are saying that you don't make a change because of a perceived flaw? I am not sure I agree, but that is your opinion. The OT format I liked previously because I thought it added more excitement. I like sudden death. I see the logic to the new system For the playoffs I think you can look at it as improving the overall game by making all games important. Just my opinion. Most changes are reactionary- I am not sure that argument holds much water. I respect your opinion though.
	Your team stinks

01-03-2011, 10:36 AM	#3
CashAndFlash Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 30 miles from Paradis Posts: 602 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by spkb25 I am not sure I follow the logic- but basically you are saying that you don't make a change because of a perceived flaw? I am not sure I agree, but that is your opinion. The OT format I liked previously because I thought it added more excitement. I like sudden death. I see the logic to the new system For the playoffs I think you can look at it as improving the overall game by making all games important. Just my opinion. Most changes are reactionary- I am not sure that argument holds much water. I respect your opinion though. I just see it as being the same argument. It "wasn't fair" that the Vikings lost that way last year. It "isn't fair" that the Saints don't get to host a playoff game. I, too, liked the sudden death format. I think if they had to change it, they should give both teams a chance to score, and if both do, let it run out the whole 15 minutes before declaring a victor.

01-03-2011, 02:58 PM	#7
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,004	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't deserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion. Good spot. Good point.

01-03-2011, 03:14 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't derserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion. WOW, I didn't see that. Now I have to rethink my whole view on this subject. I still feel the system isn't broke at all and it encourages teams to go out and win every game not just those six. With this logic Raiders should be complaining like mad, for them the system is broke. Technically the Raiders should be the Division Champs and should represent their division.

01-03-2011, 10:15 AM	#4
CashAndFlash Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 30 miles from Paradis Posts: 602 Blog Entries: 1	It's fine, ball just didn't bounce our way this year.

01-03-2011, 11:28 AM	#5
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	The NFL is never going to change the playoff seeding. We should not over look this game with the Hawks. also remember the Saints have lost more games at home then on the road. Once GB beats the Eagles the Falcons will be next. We take care of business in Seattle & Chicago then we play the NFC championship at home.

01-03-2011, 12:15 PM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Changing the seeding would be nice but it will not happen. But saying you don't derserve a home game without winning your division isn't right either because technically winning your division doesn't mean you won the most games against your division. Just look at the Raiders. They are the first team in 40 years that go 6-0 against their division and miss the playoffs. So with that said, basically it's the team with the most overall wins that wins the division which now lets you argue against the way the current seeding is done in my opinion.

01-03-2011, 04:17 PM	#9
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Im old and im tired of seeing changes, just for the sake of changes. I'd like to see one thing stay the same. The only change I like since 1975 is cell phones, but just for making calls. And now for my serious answer: Life isnt fair. We used to be a good team in the same division with Joe Montana, and John Robinson's Rams. It wasnt fair back then either, but we all started out 0-0. If you win, you win, and it doesnt matter what happens elsewhere. We should have beat the Browns, should not have let Ray Rice run over us, should kick 11 yard FG's, and damn sure shouldnt lose to the dumbazz CARDINALS! It is crazy, but Im glad to be us, and its a great day to be a Saint!
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01-03-2011, 04:29 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by skymike Im old and im tired of seeing changes, just for the sake of changes. I'd like to see one thing stay the same. The only change I like since 1975 is cell phones, but just for making calls. Uh huh. What about internet porn? Huh? Huh?