Are we missing Grant???

ClintSaints · 01-04-2011, 06:33 PM

No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover.

niteadept · 01-04-2011, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by ClintSaints

No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover.

Like this, but the three and outs functioning like a turnover would be better if they were mostly converted to 6 pts. I don't have a problem with 3 n out, but I do have a problem when our offense doesn't make the most of it. Best of both worlds - defense holds them to 3 and out or pick 6 and then when offense is on the field, we get another 6. Will Smith should continue pretending the offense is his wife. That way he can't be charged and someone else takes his wrath.

ClintSaints · 01-04-2011, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by niteadept

Like this, but the three and outs functioning like a turnover would be better if they were mostly converted to 6 pts. I don't have a problem with 3 n out, but I do have a problem when our offense doesn't make the most of it. Best of both worlds - defense holds them to 3 and out or pick 6 and then when offense is on the field, we get another 6. Will Smith should continue pretending the offense is his wife. That way he can't be charged and someone else takes his wrath.

My thoughts exactly. It is the Saints offense that is the problem, not the defense. The defense has held opponents to an average of 19 points per game which is a nice improvement over 21 points per game last season. The real problem - and let's be frank here - is Drew Brees' recent propensity to throw interceptions at just the wrong time. Also, we've been having fumblitis near or in the red zone all season long it seems like. I really hope and pray that the Saints are on top of this ball security issue against the Seahawks, because I think too many people here are greatly underestimating the Seahawks.

papz · 01-04-2011, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by ClintSaints

No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover.

This. It's kind of sad as he once was a pretty solid football player... now he's fallen off the face of the earth. Wherever he may be now, I'm pretty sure his bank account is still fat and he's eating really well.

saintfan · 01-04-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by papz

This. It's kind of sad as he once was a pretty solid football player... now he's fallen off the face of the earth. Wherever he may be now, I'm pretty sure his bank account is still fat and he's eating really well.

Maybe, but is he still able to feed his kids?

Boutte · 01-04-2011, 06:40 PM

Too many games the Qb looks very comfortable in the pocket. Even when we blitz there isn't enough pressure. When you have this problem corner backs tend to get embarrassed a lot. Ever notice that when opposing QBs do have run out of the pocket the only one chasing them is Will Smith?

Saintswrath · 01-04-2011, 08:15 PM

Charles grant SUCKED.. and i hope he never puts on another Saints Jersey.

I Gained further disgust for him when he began saying a bunch of junk in the media about joining the Failcons just to teach us a lesson for dumping him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he went all out and told his hometown team (Failcons) all they needed to know about Sean Payton's Offense just in spite.

xan · 01-04-2011, 08:18 PM

I never could figure out the difference between a 3-out and a turnover, other than field position and momentum.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Was Charles Grant really that important to our pressure? Maybe I need to re-evaluate my criticism of him. Him getting double teamed so much, might be why Will Smith had a pro-bowl season last year? Without pressure up front, our secondary is getting abused. Alex Brown hasn't been what I thought he would be. He is getting pushed around by 3 year tackles one on one. Heck, with his play making ability, I think Charleston should be starting anyway. I don't know. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

The only place we are missing Grant is in the chicken wing eating contest.

spkb25 · 01-04-2011, 08:26 PM

i dont think he is even playing, so ill say no

01-04-2011, 06:56 PM	#2
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by ClintSaints No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover. Like this, but the three and outs functioning like a turnover would be better if they were mostly converted to 6 pts. I don't have a problem with 3 n out, but I do have a problem when our offense doesn't make the most of it. Best of both worlds - defense holds them to 3 and out or pick 6 and then when offense is on the field, we get another 6. Will Smith should continue pretending the offense is his wife. That way he can't be charged and someone else takes his wrath.

01-04-2011, 11:17 PM	#3
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Originally Posted by niteadept Like this, but the three and outs functioning like a turnover would be better if they were mostly converted to 6 pts. I don't have a problem with 3 n out, but I do have a problem when our offense doesn't make the most of it. Best of both worlds - defense holds them to 3 and out or pick 6 and then when offense is on the field, we get another 6. Will Smith should continue pretending the offense is his wife. That way he can't be charged and someone else takes his wrath. My thoughts exactly. It is the Saints offense that is the problem, not the defense. The defense has held opponents to an average of 19 points per game which is a nice improvement over 21 points per game last season. The real problem - and let's be frank here - is Drew Brees' recent propensity to throw interceptions at just the wrong time. Also, we've been having fumblitis near or in the red zone all season long it seems like. I really hope and pray that the Saints are on top of this ball security issue against the Seahawks, because I think too many people here are greatly underestimating the Seahawks.

01-04-2011, 07:33 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Originally Posted by ClintSaints No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover. This. It's kind of sad as he once was a pretty solid football player... now he's fallen off the face of the earth. Wherever he may be now, I'm pretty sure his bank account is still fat and he's eating really well.

01-04-2011, 07:41 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by papz This. It's kind of sad as he once was a pretty solid football player... now he's fallen off the face of the earth. Wherever he may be now, I'm pretty sure his bank account is still fat and he's eating really well. Maybe, but is he still able to feed his kids?

01-04-2011, 08:15 PM	#7
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	Charles grant SUCKED.. and i hope he never puts on another Saints Jersey. I Gained further disgust for him when he began saying a bunch of junk in the media about joining the Failcons just to teach us a lesson for dumping him. I wouldn't be surprised if he went all out and told his hometown team (Failcons) all they needed to know about Sean Payton's Offense just in spite.
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01-04-2011, 06:33 PM	#1
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover.

01-04-2011, 06:40 PM	#6
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Too many games the Qb looks very comfortable in the pocket. Even when we blitz there isn't enough pressure. When you have this problem corner backs tend to get embarrassed a lot. Ever notice that when opposing QBs do have run out of the pocket the only one chasing them is Will Smith?

01-04-2011, 08:18 PM	#8
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	I never could figure out the difference between a 3-out and a turnover, other than field position and momentum.

01-04-2011, 08:24 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Was Charles Grant really that important to our pressure? Maybe I need to re-evaluate my criticism of him. Him getting double teamed so much, might be why Will Smith had a pro-bowl season last year? Without pressure up front, our secondary is getting abused. Alex Brown hasn't been what I thought he would be. He is getting pushed around by 3 year tackles one on one. Heck, with his play making ability, I think Charleston should be starting anyway. I don't know. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? The only place we are missing Grant is in the chicken wing eating contest.

01-04-2011, 08:26 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	i dont think he is even playing, so ill say no