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Ashley 01-10-2011 04:59 PM

DEFENSIVE!

|Mitch| 01-10-2011 05:01 PM

We have the 23rd pick in the draft... Cameron Heyward if he is still around

nicebush25 01-10-2011 05:12 PM

OLB is screaming for attention

biloxi-indian 01-10-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 279187)
We have the 23rd pick in the draft... Cameron Heyward if he is still around

According to TP, Saints have the 24th pick.

New Orleans Saints will have 24th pick in 2011 NFL Draft | NOLA.com

|Mitch| 01-10-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by biloxi-indian (Post 279192)

I was just going off what NFLNetwork was showing on their ticker. Must have been a typo for them or something...

Beastmode 01-10-2011 05:46 PM

We have no RB. If Ingram is there I hope we pull the trigger. If not then we are going to be in the same boat next season.

Rugby Saint II 01-10-2011 05:46 PM

With out any pressure up front the whole secondary is compromised. DT seems like the biggest priority followed closely by LBers and DEs. Defense defense defense!
I would look strongly at left tackle in FA or a trade.

Rugby Saint II 01-10-2011 06:09 PM

I would love to have Ingram. I just think that we have other priorities that need to be addressed first. I understand that we had no running game in the playoffs and it was evident that you can't win without a running game. We have a plethora of running backs that should be back and healthy. Remember how excited we were about Hamilton and PJ Hill?

|Mitch| 01-10-2011 06:31 PM

I believe Fairley & Ingram are both projected Top 10 picks. Chances are very slim that they will be around when we pick.

lynwood 01-10-2011 06:36 PM

I'd trade up for Patrick Peterson. We'd get a kickoff return guy and a replacement for Greer.

saintsfan1976 01-10-2011 06:48 PM

We severely need an edge pass rusher. JJ Watt - DE Wisconsin (6'6" 292lbs) could be a great pick.

This is definitely the year to sign a quality RB. We haven't had one since Deuce.

lynwood 01-10-2011 06:51 PM

Ha! If we only lost enough games to get a top 5 pick :crazy:

jeanpierre 01-10-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WVSaint (Post 278531)
i agree with this, plus how do you give the robinson pick a better grade than the ellis pick?

As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold...

And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development...

When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)...

At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play...

jeanpierre 01-10-2011 09:07 PM

Ranking Need by Position:

1) Defensive Line - I've been critical of Smith, but this season he's really played extremely well; Ellis, I've made my feelings known, the rest are backups on .500 teams which makes the coaches jobs (all of them) even more impressive...

Projected - At least two of the top four picks


2) Strong Safety - Roman Harper at Chicago, Roman Harper at Chicago redux, Roman Harper v. Sam Bradford and the Rams, Roman Harper @ Seattle, et cetera; doesn't deliver "think about it" hits; Chip Vaughn, what happended? Usama Young, working on his post career career when he hasn't established his professional football career; Sharper's coming off major surgery and age...

Projected - At least one pick by Round 3


3) Running Back - Thomas is a great...backup, good guy; Reggie, would be a better wide receiver/slot back (i.e. Steve Smith with a little extra); Chris Ivory...great feel-good story, WTF does that mean?!? If Pete Carroll comes calling again do we trade Bush this time for Marshawn Lynch and a draft pick?

Projected - New School pick > No Round 1 RBs...an All-Pro in Round 3, only with Drew's overflow of good play


4) Wide Receiver - No way we keep Colston and Meachem after this season, Devery lacks focus; should Bush play more WR/Slot Back, this changes; Arrington can't seem to impress enough or stay healthy enough in practice to get on the field...

Projected - Another miracle in Round 7? Not likely, but with two picks in Round 3, opportunity may present itself...

Beastmode 01-10-2011 11:48 PM

Ingram isn't projected in the top 10. He could easily be there.

lumm0x 01-11-2011 12:03 AM

Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory. We can find good RB's without spending high picks. Stay that course. Supplement with FA. The days of one back bell cows are gone.

|Mitch| 01-11-2011 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 279378)
Ingram isn't projected in the top 10. He could easily be there.

I was looking at a draft ranking that was not updated, however I'm thinking we draft defense first round. We proved this Saturday it's the #1 priority, and we got a whole bunch of running backs coming off of IR.

saintsfan1976 01-11-2011 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 279384)
Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory. We can find good RB's without spending high picks. Stay that course. Supplement with FA. The days of one back bell cows are gone.

But the days of RB's who can stay on the field are certainly not gone. How about a guy who can take hits?

exile 01-11-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 279431)
But the days of RB's who can stay on the field are certainly not gone. How about a guy who can take hits?

Yeah we need a stud RB that doesn't get hurt every other play. I bet Ingram is long gone. Outside chance of Ryan Williams but I think that Mikel Leshoure could be the best back in the draft.

saintsfan1976 01-11-2011 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 279433)
Yeah we need a stud RB that doesn't get hurt every other play. I bet Ingram is long gone. Outside chance of Ryan Williams but I think that Mikel Leshoure could be the best back in the draft.

Doubt Ingram makes it to 24 too.

Lesoure is the power/speed RB the Saints need: #24, anyone???

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According to ESPN, Illinois junior running back Mikel Leshoure is holding a news conference at 11 a.m. tomorrow to announce he's entering the draft.

Leshoure had a breakout 2010 season, rushing for 1,697 yards and 17 touchdowns on 281 attempts. He enters the draft as the premier power/speed combo back and could go as high as the end of the first round.

He ran for 120 yards or more in his last five games of the season, including an eye-popping 330 against Northwestern on Nov. 20.

jeanpierre 01-11-2011 08:28 AM

Early Mock Drafts show possible picks for the Saints as:

Mikel LeShoure, RB

Corey Liuget, DT

Muhammad Wilkerson, DT

Stephen Paea, DT

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami

Gabe Carimi, OT

Mark Ingram, RB

Anthony Castonzo, OT

Source(s) CBSSportsline, WalterFootball, ESPN, draftcountdown

Danno 01-11-2011 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 279314)
Ranking Need by Position:3) Running Back - Thomas is a great...backup, good guy; Reggie, would be a better wide receiver/slot back (i.e. Steve Smith with a little extra);

If Pete Carroll comes calling again do we trade Bush this time for Marshawn Lynch and a draft pick?

4) Wide Receiver - No way we keep Colston and Meachem after this season,

Reggie would make a terrible WR. Lousy hands and not nearly as fast as he used to be. You rarely see a player learn a new position after 6 years in the league. He'd be our worst receiver on the team, including the practice squad.

Reggie wouldn't even net us a 7th in a trade, much less Lynch and a pick. Who would trade for that $12million contract? Carrol would laugh at us.

Colston and Meachem are locks for the 2011 team, IMO.

jeanpierre 01-11-2011 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 279444)
Reggie would make a terrible WR. Lousy hands and not nearly as fast as he used to be.

Seriously? He has bad hands? He had 88 receptions as a rookie, before the time share the following season; career, he's averaging 5 receipts/game.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 279444)
You rarely see a player learn a new position after 6 years in the league.

Danno, Bush currently lines up in the slot a couple of times a game name.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 279444)
He'd be our worst receiver on the team, including the practice squad.

Devery Henderson? Robert Meachem? I'd take Bush before either of these guys. Though the salary slot is higher than it should be.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 279444)
Reggie wouldn't even net us a 7th in a trade, much less Lynch and a pick. Who would trade for that $12million contract? Carrol would laugh at us

Probably right, but Carrol likes his guys; and there were alleged inquiries last season for a trade for Bush and the alleged source of the inquiries was Seattle.


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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 279444)
Colston and Meachem are locks for the 2011 team, IMO

Look, it's the last year of both their contracts; I'd keep Colston and let Meachem geaux and get compensatory draft picks...

papz 01-11-2011 09:34 AM

Not saying he has good or bad hands, but 5 receptions a game on swing passes and dump offs isn't exactly a great measure of saying that he has good or bad hands. With that said, if he lined up as a full time WR, I'd say he'd drop more passes than Devery... not even close honestly.

jcp026 01-11-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 279288)
As it stands right now, it was a quality value at that pick; look Porter is going be a FA after 2011; so he's got a year to learn the system and take hold...

And don't misunderstand, I'd like to keep Porter, but they were smart to take a talented DB at that position, allowing a year of development...

When you consider we moved up for Ellis, Seventh Pick, and the Bullshinski with his Rookie holdout, the expectations are higher (Twelve sacks in Three Seasons, Two Fumbles/Minimal Impact)...

At least Bush has given us some moments with the big play...

Bush's big plays have been few and far between. He was the second pick in the draft. We passed on Ngata and Vernon Davis for this guy. We also passed on everyone else in the draft that wasn't Mario Williams. HE WAS THE SECOND PICK! I like Bush and would like to keep him around at a good price, but he's a bust and he's the biggest bust of the Payton/Loomis era.

Danno 01-11-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 279447)
Seriously? He has bad hands? He had 88 receptions as a rookie, before the time share the following season; career, he's averaging 5 receipts/game.

And I can't remember when he caught a pass thrown farther than 10 yards downfield. A GlassBack occasionally playing in the slot doesn't make him a WR. Its a compeltely different skillset. Most of Reggies receptions are withing 3 to 5 yards of the LOS. That won't work as a wideout.

I think we'd have more success if we moved Henderson to RB than moving Bush to WR, but both are bad ideas.

Euphoria 01-11-2011 10:07 AM

What do you think Reggie is??? He is a slot WR that we use out of the backfield and a PR. That is it. Listing him as a RB is a crock!

Danno 01-11-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 279460)
He had a 20 yard reception against the Bucs...and a nice one i might add...:bng:

Probably a 1.2 million dollar catch.

neugey 01-11-2011 12:58 PM

I like Delone Carter of Syracuse - maybe lower-miles than some of the other runningbacks and on the upswing. Easy to scout too as Doug Marrone is his coach.

dizzle88 01-11-2011 01:00 PM

Draft Demarco Murray, if hes there, but we do need to address OLB, DE and DT.
Sign Deangelo Williams loomis, get it done!!

dizzle88 01-11-2011 01:14 PM


Kid looks decent, looks like a straight ahead guy that can bounce to the outside if need be, but first priority to him lies north and south.
Good speed for his size

Beastmode 01-11-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 279386)
I was looking at a draft ranking that was not updated, however I'm thinking we draft defense first round. We proved this Saturday it's the #1 priority, and we got a whole bunch of running backs coming off of IR.

We need both but if Ingram is there we should go for it. We have found some good ones but they just don't hold up. PT and Ivory, their injuries were well documented before they played for the Saints and Reggie, I won't even start. We need a proven back and playing in the SEC with success is a good measuring stick.

st thomas 01-11-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 279212)
I would love to have Ingram. I just think that we have other priorities that need to be addressed first. I understand that we had no running game in the playoffs and it was evident that you can't win without a running game. We have a plethora of running backs that should be back and healthy. Remember how excited we were about Hamilton and PJ Hill?

i agree with all. so much more needs than rb.i have gotten caught up in the we need rb circa myself but look at the big screen and see we will be all right. this debacle of injuries can't happen twice. if we had a spec. speed rusher that could have come in on the 3rd down and put an iota of wiff on hasselbek we would be getting ready for the cubs. not worried about rb like you said rugby.we have rbs just no luck at all with them. we'll be cutting rbs next year probably starting with bush if he don't take cut in salary. AA will finally get his shot along with junior gallette. go strato.

Euphoria 01-11-2011 01:41 PM

You guys crack me up...

BPA - that is what we have done under Payton. Guess what???

Yeah BPA approach going into this draft as well.

Memnoch_TP 01-11-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 279187)
We have the 23rd pick in the draft... Cameron Heyward if he is still around


Ironhead's boy. A world of "Yes"!


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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 279543)
You guys crack me up...

BPA - that is what we have done under Payton. Guess what???

Yeah BPA approach going into this draft as well.

Well, hopefully that changes. We have a window to keep going to the playoffs with our core team, our core team is awesome. We need to get the right pieces for a Super Bowl run NEXT YEAR.

We need O-Line, we need an OLB, we need D-Line, we need a RB that can both take and dish out a pounding, and if we can find a REALLY fast guy with REALLY good hands, jump on it.

jeanpierre 01-11-2011 06:13 PM

We need Running Back or Defensive Tackle/End in the first round...

so we'll probably take a Right Tackle or Wide Receiver...

Here's the thing, Coach Payton is not a "I gotta have this guy for my system" coach; he builds the system with the guys he has...

That's why the man has won a Superbowl instead of waiting for all the right pieces...

Pete 01-11-2011 09:59 PM

I've gotta go DE!We need to be able to bring some heat on opposing QB's without having to get it done thru a blitz.C.Heyward

Pete 01-11-2011 10:12 PM

I know Junyah had a back injury for a good bit of this past season.They must of had him maxing that iron day in and day out!He had some QB hurries and was pretty much the cause of a sack in the TB game if I remember right.He don't let up either!RELENTLESS!

Ashley 01-11-2011 11:02 PM

Man can we skip the superbowl this year, and go straight to the draft? i'm pumped to see what we do in the off season and the draft.

Db5k66 01-12-2011 02:47 PM

I say we draft a solid rb or lb such as...
Mark Ingram or Casey Matthews if available.
Casey was all over the place in the BCS game, and almost won it for Oregon with that FF, if only cam newton(michael dyer) hadn't made plays late in the 4th.


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