we'll find a jewel without using a needed pick at rb. defense is a must.

But we keep forgetting about free agency. This team ALWAYS addresses weaknesses in free-agency allowing us to pick BPA on draft day.

By draft day we may already have secured an OLB and a DE and a DT.

So I like to look at the draft in terms of which players fit best, and will succeed in our system. Just about every position is an option in round one except QB/OG/OC/K/P/FB

But if we do wanna talk current needs and the draft, RB may very well be a need if Bush and PT don't return, and a player like Mark Ingram would be perfect in Payton's system. He's a stronger and faster version of PT. I'll take that all day long and then some.

BPA is BPA for me. If Blaine Gabbert fell down to 24 and we took him, I for one would not crucify our front office. Draft is supposely very deep as far as the DL is concerned, I'm certain we'll get some quality players even if we waited a round.

As long as we don't bust a Sebastian Janikowski in the first round and I'll be okay with whomever our front office chooses.

How bad is that Al Woods trade looking?

Yeah, it's not the Sullivan trade...

...but it looks, not so good...

Popular Mock Draft Round 1 Choices:

Cameron Jordan, DE Cal
Stephen Paea, DT Oregon State
Cameron Heyward, DE Ohio St
Mark Ingram, RB Alabama

Sports Illustrated:

24. New Orleans Saints -- Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

With Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush possibly on the way out of town, they need a solid rusher to take pressure off Drew Brees. Ingram should be the first running back taken in April.

Read more: 2011 NFL Mock Draft has*Cam Newton going to Redskins - Andrew Perloff - SI.com

If Cam Newton geauxs to Redskins, I'm gonna LMAO...

It's easy to hate Cam Newton because he played for Auburn and with the allegations hanging over his head... but you can't deny he's very talented. I think he can be a solid pro and if Vince Young can be a top 10 pick, I don't see why Newton couldn't. I'm interested into seeing how he throws at the combine.

Paea is hurt and it looks like his draft stock is dropping because of it. Could be a second round steal for someone.

24 DE Ryan Kerrigan Purdue Sr. 6-4 263
The Saints need more pass rush out of their front seven, and Kerrigan is a relentless worker who led the nation in tackles for loss last season. Unless there's a running back the Saints really love here, the talent-rich defensive line position should get New Orleans' first-round attention.

Read more: 2011 NFL Mock Draft has Nick Fairley, Blaine Gabbert in top 3 - Don Banks - SI.com

Newton won't survive in the NFL with his style of play; Defensive Lineman can run him down at the NFL level...

Had LSU had a better QB, Auburn isn't playing for the title...

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Cameron Jordan
Ht/Wt: 6-4/280 lbs
Position: DE/DT
School: California
Class: Senior

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This guy is supposedly having an awesome Sr. Bowl Practice Week...

Do explain. Besides Micheal Vick, most DL can run down any quarterback in this league. Cam Newton is physical, fast for a person his size, and has the body to handle an NFL hit. If anything, his style of play matches very well with NFL play. He's been working with a qb guru who's tutored Big Ben and received rave reviews.

I'm not sure this is relevant to our conversation.

I'm thinking he translates to a Dante Culpepper with a higher football IQ.

Maybe a Tebow type, or a Big Ben, but I think Ben was a much better passer coming out wasn't he?

Yes Ben was. Dante and Big Ben are good comparison... with more athleticism imo. We've only had a small sample size of Tebow, but if his game can translate to the pros, Newton's definitely can. While Newton only had one season at Auburn, I'd say he's the better passer of the two... which also gives him a leg up.

Sorry if this was already brought up, but I believe that Heath's contract is up. If we don't resign him we can go for Stanley Havili in the late rounds.

Yes, he's small for the fullback position, but he's a fullback/3rd down back/change of pace back all in one. Plus, he will do ANYTHING to win. I like this kid's swag. Think of what Sean can think of having this diverse of a backfield.

I don't know much about Havili's blocking ability, but he is an interesting weapon... the type of toy likes to have out of the backfield. He can pick up short yardage and has always been a good receiver out of the backfield.

This is an old scouting report on him.
2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Stanley Havili, USC « NFL Mocks | Covering the 2011 NFL Draft & Your #1 NFL Mock Draft Database

Comparable sized quarterbacks would be Daunte Culpepper, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve McNair; while they can take some hits, their size also makes them a big target, thereby easier to be hit; and as the hits mount, they will take their toll he will break down...

The LSU-Auburn game was about as close to the speed and style of play he will face in the NFL and with his style of play, he won't be able make those two-three same difference making plays in the NFL.

Let the Redskins draft him and you'll see.

Good Info; only flag was this guy was declared academically ineligible at the end of his 2009 season. Like that he was a co-captain on his team.

We have GOT to impact opposing QB's more effectively. Speedy, edge rusher please!!!

How many ProBowls did Culpepper go to before eating himself out the league? How many Superbowls has Big Ben been to? How many years did Steve McNair play in the NFL? Not good examples on why he's not going to succeed in the NFL.

If that was as close to a pro game as he played all year, he showed why he has the talent to play in the pros. He absolutely demolished LSU single handily.

Only time can tell... but nothing about his play suggest he can't succeed at the next level. You come off as a bitter LSU fan... the guy is a monster.

Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave...

The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long).

My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years...

FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...

For those thinking DL with the R1 pick...

Cameron Jordan is moving up draft boards; doesn't look like he'll make it to No. 24...

Not sold on Cameron Heyward out of Ohio State; not enough consistency...

Drake Nevis out of LSU is holding at the end of R1; would be intriguing pair with Sedrick Ellis...

Corey Liuget DT Illinois is gaining some momentum as an underclassman entry...

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, another Boilermaker, has made a strong showing in workouts as well, though he is only 262 lbs...

Looks like only a few elite DL's in this years draft. May as well wait till round two if the all the elite DL's are gone at 24.

I'm afraid BPA at 24 might end up being an OL, TE, DB or WR. None of which are huge needs. I just hope we don't reach too far.

Actually the DL elites are quite numerous, just not to 24...

We'd probably have to give up our No. 3 (the latter one/not redskin compensation pick) and trade our No. 1 to move up to the 13-16 area...

But I agree with the reaching fear...

My condolences.

That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback.

Here is Newton's scouting report.
Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft

That says failure all over it doesn't it?

That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him.

I'm just point out how you sound... I didn't say you were a ignorant jerk off who has no idea what you are talking about while trying to give me a lesson in life. "You come off" isn't "you are"... neither is that phrase inappropriate, antagonistic, or arrogant. I've clearly hit a nerve... but you will get no apology for taking it the way you have. You're a big boy, you'll get over it.

All I see are poor examples and empty excuses to why he's going to fail. I don't care if you don't like him... I don't either. But if you're going to sit behind your computer and have a knowledgeable debate about a player, at least bring something to the table.

In only one season after transferring from Junior College this is what you have...

Dropping the patsy opponents from the schedule he Passed for the following yards againts the following quality opponents, dropping such PowerHouses like Arkansas St, Louisiana Monroe, and Chattanooga...

v. Mississippi St 136 Payds, 2 PaTd-1 Int
v. Clemson - 203 Payds, 2 PaTd - 2 Int
v. Kentucky - 210 Payds, 0 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Arkansas - 140 PaYds, 1 PaTd - 0 Int
v. LSU - 86 PaYds, 0 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Ole Miss 0 209 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Georgia 148 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Alabama 216 PaYds, 3 PaTd - 0 Int
v. S Carolina 335 PaYds, 4 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Oregon 265 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int

Quality Opponents Stats PYds 1948, PaTd 18, 6 Int...

Granted a nice 3:1 PaTD - Int ratio - but only 18 PaTd, mostly with 8-9 defenders in the box...

Against 10 quality opponents he has avg 194.8 PaYds...

That's what I'm looking at statitically; and if you watched the games, the film tape, there's no way I'd draft this bum in the first round...

Compounded with the fact of character - He left Florida to avoid being kicked out for cheating/academic fraud; then there's the Ms State shakedown that he and his father are involved...

Sure like to get a look at his Wonderlic Score, but we want to maintain players privacy and allow them to remove all doubt they're morons until they are interviewed on television...

This is Vince Young Redux, speaking of which...

You mentioned Mocking the Draft - This is what I read from the Scouting Report

Decision making: ...Comes out of Gus Malzahn's spread option where he doesn't have to make multiple reads. Doesn't anticipate a receiver's route that well.

Field vision: Here is where Newton is going to need the work. A lot of Auburn's passes came on receivers running double moves and deep crosses. ...a lot of Newton's passes come on the first read. When it's not there, the offense called for him to pull the ball and run. Since teams stacked the box... Newton didn't see a lot of complex coverages...He did early against Oregon ...got into trouble. He'll have to spend a lot of time in the film room to learn how to pass against defenses with good secondary play and an array of coverages.

Mechanics: Has an awkward throwing motion and will need to adjust his release point. Has a throwing motion very similar to Vince Young's...

And that's quoting Your citation, my friend...

Yeah, you draft this guy in Round 1...

Stephen Paea suffered torn meniscus to the right knee during Senior Bowl week; so he's out as a first round option...

In high school high school he finished as the number 2 rated dual threat quarterback in the country. In junior college, he was the number 1 rated JUCO prospect in the country. In the SEC, he finished as the Heisman trophy winner in all of the land. It's not like this success has come out of nowhere... so what if it's only been 1 year in the SEC.




Every college football teams have teams like this on their schedule. Should colege football change the way they record statistics depending on opponents?

So about 2,000 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT ratio against the best competition in college football. What's the point here exactly? I'm positive I missed it. You're also ignoring all the rushing statistics and touchdowns he put up against these teams... which just makes it even more impressive.

This is your first valid point... but, this still has nothing to do with our conversation of how his skills are not going to translate in the NFL.

While he may or may not be a moron, I'm sure having a great Wonderlic score is directly correlated to having success in the NFL.

What you read was that he has a similiar throwing motion to Vince Young. That doesn't make him Vince Young redux. I've also mentioned earlier in this thread that he's been working with Big Ben's quarterback tutor and the reviews have been excellent. He has mechanical issues... a lot of young quarterbacks do. He's already taking the steps to correct them.

You did read the whole report right? You picked his one flaw and you're harboring on it. Forgive me if I continue to believe you are absolutely bias on the matter.

Shows your bias again by conviently leaving out the first part...
Newton rarely put his receivers in bad position and didn't throw the ball a lot into double coverage. He just needs to get faster making decisions in the passing game.

We'll address that with your next statement as well... as it's virtually the same thing.
So essentially you are faulting him for doing what his coaches wanted as far as running the offense is concerned. If his first option wasn't there, he was told to tuck and run. He's an idiot for listening... he only won a national title and the Heisman trophy for doing so. As far as not seeing complex coverages... that's his fault too? He's playing college football against college defenses... how exactly can anyone knock him for that?

He's 21 years old... there aren't many, if any, quarterbacks that come straight into the NFL without many flaws. Look at Jimmy Clausen who scored a good Wonderlic, ran a pro style offense in college, was able to do a hell of a job improvising and making his reads... yet was a complete failure in his first season in the NFL. He didn't have all these so-called mechanical issues either. Just saying.

If I needed a quarterback...
...I'd definitely consider drafting Newton.

And just to point out, I never once pointed out where he should be drafted. My point is that he has all the physical tools one would want to be a successful NFL quarterback. His size, strength, speed, and athleticism are what people drool for... which obviously to one, the recipe for failure.

Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young both had great physical tools; there game just doesn't translate to the NFL Game...

As was pointed out in the scouting report we're discussing, Newton's passing success was to pass to the wide open receiver or pull it down and run...

Look the scouting report you cited says he'll be the most polarizing player coming out because of the physical tools he possesses but he that he has struggled when some of the college defenses schemed complex defenses similiar to a pro-style D...

I didn't cite/quote all the negatives or questions about his game from your report due to length, but there are too many red flags to warrant a draft pick on this guy...

Twenty-one or not, you come ready to play or you're gone...

I will say this though, it was a good scouting report you cited...

Highsight is 20/20. On paper, their skill set suggested they'd have productive NFL careers. No one can tell what's going to happen once they get there. Who knew JaMarcus was going to balloon over 300 pounds, get addicted to sizzurp, lazy, and have a piss poor work ethic. I find that to be more of a mental than physical thing... his physical skill set is everything you'd want in a NFL player. Unless one was a die hard Longhorn fan, I think Young turned out to be exactly what we thought he would be. He's had mild success and no one could have predicted his mental problems either. Both had more problems mentally than physically.
I have a problem with this. If one is going to knock him throwing to a wide open receiver, why not credit him for eluding defenders allowing his receivers extra time to create separation? We've all watched Newton play... I'm sure we all can see why his receivers are wide open.

As there is with almost every prospect every year in every draft. I think "too many" is being exaggerated here.

Which isn't the case. Some teams have the luxury of developing their players over time. It took 3 years before Roddy White became a productive player. If we were going by your mindset, he'd already be out of this league. Aaron Rodgers had the luxury to develop and learn off the bench before he was thrown into the fire. Robert Meachem wouldn't be on this team right now if we thought like that. The majority of players that come into the league need good coaching and time to develop. It's not as cut and dry like you say.

It's one of his better ones. That said, I honestly don't see the Vince Young mechanical similarities. I've youtube some videos and I just don't see it.

A little more on how much of a freak Cam Newton is...

If he doesn't succeed in the NFL, I'd venture to say it definitely won't be because of his God given physical talent.

I thought this was telling, and supported by the back and forth on the matter...

More polarizing than Mount Cody?!?!?

LOL I know whom you are talking of but did I miss something last season?!?

The Tim Tebow of the 2011 draft then.

R1/24 Mikel Leshoure RB - Illinois (HT: 6-0 - WT: 230)

Best Size/Speed Combination in the draft; got his act together after altercation in 2009 displaying maturity and focus; capable of monster games and carrying the load; willing blocker in pass protection


R2/56 Muhammad Wilkerson, DT - Temple (HT: 6-5 - WT: 305)

Athletic Big Man who would be a natural DE in a 3-4 alignment; but with his athletic ability could be a freak at the 5-technique positon; moving up draft boards into the first round now...


R3/72 Quinton Carter, S - Oklahoma (HT: 6-0⅝ - WT: 211)

Go to Roman Harper's Wikipedia page and you'll see 'em swinging a golf club; picking Carter would help 'em stay there; he has excellent coverage skills at S: Fluid, Good Angles, Smart and has excellent community track record; not sure he's be there this late but would be a steal at this slot ...

R3/88 Mark Herzlich OLB - Boston College (HT: 6-3⅝ - WT: 250)

Natural fiery leader/linebacker; survived serious illness to return and play at high level; playmaker who likes to be in on every play, but disciplined and stays in assignments...