Can we do it?

-RVD- · 11-30-2003, 08:09 PM

If the Saints win the rest of there remaining games, do you think we can make the playoffs?

nocloning · 11-30-2003, 09:04 PM

Pretty big \"if\" if you ask me. But if we win out, we\'ll likely make the play-offs. All that we would need is another Dallas loss.

WhoDat · 11-30-2003, 09:18 PM

I assume that is rhetorical, b/c the answer is obviously NO!

IF we win out it will still be tough. Seattle would have to lose 3 more for us to be ahead of them. Minnesota would have to lose two more, which is VERY possible (they\'re the \'02 Saints of \'03), but then GB would still have to win out to take the division from them. Dallas has to lose 1 and then lose to us. Carolina would have to lose 3 more for us to overtake them, and as overrated as I think they are, I don\'t see that happening.

Hey, it\'s the NFL, so anything can happen. But if you\'re a betting man, don\'t put any money on the Saints... ever.

nocloning · 11-30-2003, 09:56 PM

I maintain that only Dallas matters.
Seattle / St. Louis can do what they want, one will win the division, the other one will be the first wild card team.
Only one team from the NFC North will go to the playoffs. We own the tie-breaker with Green Bay (conference record) if we win out. If the Packers win the division, we will own the tie-breaker with Minnesota (MIN needs to lose 2 games to lose the division ... 98% sure of that) or rather MIN will be 9-7.
Obviously only Carolina will be ahead of us in the NFC South.
So it comes down to the two second placed teams in the NFC South and NFC East, namely Sainst and Cowboys. Only if the Eagles start losing (not gonna happen) and the Cowboys, Eagles and Saints end up with a 10-6 record we will be out (Dallas wins the divsion, head-to-head tiebreaker against Philly).

Okay, even Jets fans talk about what needs to happen for them to make the play-offs, so I guess it\'s alright for us to do this. After today\'s game though ... one of these days our first half mistakes will catch up with us and I fear it will be sooner than later. If we beat Tampa AND Dallas loses in Philadelphia we can talk about this in depth.

WhoDat · 11-30-2003, 11:07 PM

Watching this game tonight, I think more than Dallas matters. TB isn\'t an easy game, nor is NYG, but we SHOULD win both. After that, Jacksonville looked like a sure win leaving everything to the Dallas game. Now, I don\'t know. The Jags are NOT playing like a 2-9 team. Their D looks fierce. If they put that type of pressure on Brooks.... well, we all know what will happen. We\'ve got four VERY VERY VERY tough games. I just don\'t see this team winning in the clutch four straight times. Sorry guys, I just can\'t see our team getting there. I sure hope they will, but I just can\'t see it... unless they seriously improve their play.

rich006 · 12-01-2003, 01:51 AM

It\'s not impossible for Seattle to lose three games and end up 9-7. They have 3 road games left and the only road game they\'ve won this year was at Arizona. They could easily lose at MIN, STL, and SF-- all traditionally good home-turf teams. So it\'s conceivable the Saints could end up in the #1 wild card spot if they win out and Dallas loses to Philly.

The most unlikely aspect of that whole scenario is the Saints winning out of course.

-RVD- · 12-02-2003, 03:37 PM

If we will all of our remaining games and Dallas losing to philly and us, do we have a 100% shot of getting in the playoffs?

tweeky · 12-02-2003, 03:49 PM

Yes. Even if GB goes 10-6 also, we have the NFC Conference tie-breaker on them.
Minnesota is a non-factor. If they finish 10-6 they win their division because of tie-breaker over GB. If they finish 9-7, they are behind us.

Bottom Line: If we win out, and Dallas loses one more game before they play us, we get in!
Dallas will lose to Philly!
The hard part is us winning out!

I posted this earlier... hope it helps.

PHL, GB, STL, and CAR probably win their divisions, so we have to worry about
Dallas, and Seattle
Assuming we can win out

Dallas (8-4) has @PHL,@WAS,NYG,@NO
I can see them losing 1 before playing us, and with a loss to us they stay home.

Seattle (8-4) has @MIN,@STL,AZ,@SF
I can see them losing 3 also for a 9-7 record. AZ is a trap game.

-RVD- · 12-02-2003, 03:54 PM

Thanks Tweeky, you really cleared things up for me.

I think we have a really good shot, we \"SHOULD\" win out.

tweeky · 12-02-2003, 04:15 PM

Its also possible we get in at 9-7.

Dallas has 3 road games (PHL,WAS, NO) and one home (Giants)
They could lose 3 of those 4 to finish 9-7.

Green Bay could lose to Denver to finish 9-7.

Its unlikely but possible.

Heck, Carolina is on the verge of a total collapse. With Vick back I can see ATL handing them their 3rd loss in a row. If they can lose to Houston, they can certainly lose @Zona, Det and @NYG. Very unlikely.

11-30-2003, 09:04 PM	#2
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Can we do it? Pretty big \"if\" if you ask me. But if we win out, we\'ll likely make the play-offs. All that we would need is another Dallas loss.
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11-30-2003, 09:18 PM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can we do it? I assume that is rhetorical, b/c the answer is obviously NO! IF we win out it will still be tough. Seattle would have to lose 3 more for us to be ahead of them. Minnesota would have to lose two more, which is VERY possible (they\'re the \'02 Saints of \'03), but then GB would still have to win out to take the division from them. Dallas has to lose 1 and then lose to us. Carolina would have to lose 3 more for us to overtake them, and as overrated as I think they are, I don\'t see that happening. Hey, it\'s the NFL, so anything can happen. But if you\'re a betting man, don\'t put any money on the Saints... ever.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

11-30-2003, 09:56 PM	#4
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Can we do it? I maintain that only Dallas matters. Seattle / St. Louis can do what they want, one will win the division, the other one will be the first wild card team. Only one team from the NFC North will go to the playoffs. We own the tie-breaker with Green Bay (conference record) if we win out. If the Packers win the division, we will own the tie-breaker with Minnesota (MIN needs to lose 2 games to lose the division ... 98% sure of that) or rather MIN will be 9-7. Obviously only Carolina will be ahead of us in the NFC South. So it comes down to the two second placed teams in the NFC South and NFC East, namely Sainst and Cowboys. Only if the Eagles start losing (not gonna happen) and the Cowboys, Eagles and Saints end up with a 10-6 record we will be out (Dallas wins the divsion, head-to-head tiebreaker against Philly). Okay, even Jets fans talk about what needs to happen for them to make the play-offs, so I guess it\'s alright for us to do this. After today\'s game though ... one of these days our first half mistakes will catch up with us and I fear it will be sooner than later. If we beat Tampa AND Dallas loses in Philadelphia we can talk about this in depth.
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11-30-2003, 11:07 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can we do it? Watching this game tonight, I think more than Dallas matters. TB isn\'t an easy game, nor is NYG, but we SHOULD win both. After that, Jacksonville looked like a sure win leaving everything to the Dallas game. Now, I don\'t know. The Jags are NOT playing like a 2-9 team. Their D looks fierce. If they put that type of pressure on Brooks.... well, we all know what will happen. We\'ve got four VERY VERY VERY tough games. I just don\'t see this team winning in the clutch four straight times. Sorry guys, I just can\'t see our team getting there. I sure hope they will, but I just can\'t see it... unless they seriously improve their play.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

12-01-2003, 01:51 AM	#6
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Can we do it? It\'s not impossible for Seattle to lose three games and end up 9-7. They have 3 road games left and the only road game they\'ve won this year was at Arizona. They could easily lose at MIN, STL, and SF-- all traditionally good home-turf teams. So it\'s conceivable the Saints could end up in the #1 wild card spot if they win out and Dallas loses to Philly. The most unlikely aspect of that whole scenario is the Saints winning out of course.
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11-30-2003, 08:09 PM	#1
-RVD- Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 78	Can we do it? If the Saints win the rest of there remaining games, do you think we can make the playoffs?

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12-02-2003, 03:37 PM	#7
-RVD- Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 78	Can we do it? If we will all of our remaining games and Dallas losing to philly and us, do we have a 100% shot of getting in the playoffs?

12-02-2003, 03:49 PM	#8
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Can we do it? Yes. Even if GB goes 10-6 also, we have the NFC Conference tie-breaker on them. Minnesota is a non-factor. If they finish 10-6 they win their division because of tie-breaker over GB. If they finish 9-7, they are behind us. Bottom Line: If we win out, and Dallas loses one more game before they play us, we get in! Dallas will lose to Philly! The hard part is us winning out! I posted this earlier... hope it helps. PHL, GB, STL, and CAR probably win their divisions, so we have to worry about Dallas, and Seattle Assuming we can win out Dallas (8-4) has @PHL,@WAS,NYG,@NO I can see them losing 1 before playing us, and with a loss to us they stay home. Seattle (8-4) has @MIN,@STL,AZ,@SF I can see them losing 3 also for a 9-7 record. AZ is a trap game.
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12-02-2003, 03:54 PM	#9
-RVD- Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 78	Can we do it? Thanks Tweeky, you really cleared things up for me. I think we have a really good shot, we \"SHOULD\" win out.

12-02-2003, 04:15 PM	#10
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Can we do it? Its also possible we get in at 9-7. Dallas has 3 road games (PHL,WAS, NO) and one home (Giants) They could lose 3 of those 4 to finish 9-7. Green Bay could lose to Denver to finish 9-7. Its unlikely but possible. Heck, Carolina is on the verge of a total collapse. With Vick back I can see ATL handing them their 3rd loss in a row. If they can lose to Houston, they can certainly lose @Zona, Det and @NYG. Very unlikely.