I agree with you Crusader. There are plenty of guys that would play for $20 an hour, just to have the opportunity to play again. I just really don't dig on all the money grubbing. On both sides.

I say raise the price for tickets, merchandise and anything else that that can bring more money to the millionaires and billionaires. WE NEED TRILLIONAIRES!

why would they decline 05-09 it has to show huge enough nos to evaluate , this could have pushed things forward a little. the players should watch there backs because its our wallets that fill theres

we have cameras in court rooms on murder trials etc, but zip on a national pastime. we all know why. its all about money and it would ensicken the general public on how greedy these rich owners and not so rich but well paid players are. and all wanting more more more. i worked hard for 30 yrs for 1 company slowly climbing the wage scale and then being let go after owners knowingly could hire college grads out of school for 1/2 what i was making . i could do nothing but pack my s--t and leave. i know nfl football won't be the same with scabs but it might be no other way to let the players know that employers will be employers and not there daddy's.

I've never been in that position but I understand your point. My postion on it is to never let myself get into that position. Find a niche on the side and never let one person or company decide your fate.

These players should focus on life after football since the average NFL career is 2 years. They make good money but it's not that much over the course of a lifetime if that's all you ever did. The only thing I'm with them on is the 18 game schedule and lingering medical concerns. Nobody wants the 18 games except for the owners and if they have lingering medical isssues the NFL needs to take care of them. If the owners want more of the profits then so be it, just take care of these guys when they are in pain after football. They have plenty of money to make that a reality.

If the NFLPA de-certifies, and the issue goes to court, the owners WILL open their books.

They can either open them now, or wait until the court orders them to. Their choice.

There is an article by a Tulane professor floating around here. He explains why the NFL does not have to open the books. It's not going to happen.

Yeah I have to agree that if the players don't watch out they will be he bad guys. Imagine yourself as an Owner of a business and being told/demanded by your employees to show them the books and to pay them more even though they make a hell of a lot more than the people packing the stadiums. The more I thik about It the more I'm starting to dislike unions or collective bargining. Owners cold just fire all the players and start over with fresh college grads and go with half of what the current players are asking for and come out winners.

Most everyone of the players has gotten a top-notch college education paid because of football. They should all be fine after their playing career. There can't be the owners responsibility to pay somebody money enough to last a lifetime?

Ditto P and I still can't believe that 5 years of data wasn't enough. Just makes the players look like real greedy SOB's.