The Fujitas - "The game that used and abused them"

skymike · 03-24-2011, 05:27 PM

(BF'27, close your ears & eyes)
i dont believe that dude's really that grossed out by the concept of
eating a snake that spits.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 03-24-2011, 05:52 PM

More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger.

saintfan · 03-24-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger.

It's okay. Remember: Honey Badger don't give a ****

SAINT_MICHAEL · 03-24-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

It's okay. Remember: Honey Badger don't give a ****

Seems I've heard that somewhere before.

skymike · 03-24-2011, 08:11 PM

he really doesnt. he'll eat cobras...

just like.... whatever...

Memnoch_TP · 03-24-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

When the players and their families try to play the sympathy card and make themselves out to be simple down home-folks who sacrifice their blood, sweat, and tears to play a game they love without being properly compensated for, then it is relevant. They are blatantly and unashamedly shopping for public support with this letter, so if they are going to try and paint themselves as of the common fan, then the common fan has the right to make these comparisons.

Fujita's wife's letter pissed me off too. And I didn't say you didn't have the right to make those comparisons, just that they are bad comparisons that don't apply. Which is true. You can say the earth is flat till you are blue in the face, too. It doesn't make it so.

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

I also disagree that the players are not indispensable. This is the same egotistical stance that the players are taking and thereby making the mistake of thinking they are bigger than the game. Let's face it, we don't follow the Saints because of Drew Brees, we follow them because they are the New Orleans Saints.

Actually... When we signed Drew Brees season ticket sales spiked. Weeks later when we drafted Reggie season tickets were sold out. I can't tell you the last time this happened, but I know it has been a long damn time.

So, I'm sorry, but all I have to dispute that statement with are indisputable facts. Hard cold numbers that say before Drew Brees played a single down for the Saints he filled more seats than Aaron Brooks.

You can call it an egotistical stance, fine. Maybe it is egotistical, but that does NOT make it incorrect.

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

...my point is the NFL and the teams they include are much more historically important to the fans than the individual players who have worn the uniforms. Players come and go, but the colors never change (unless you are the Tampa Bay Bucs).

True, but then again, it is the great players that make the unforgettable moments, but the bad players make the eras you want to forget about.

I mean, really, do you cherish the Aaron Brooks years and the Bobby Hebert years as much as the Drew Brees years or the Archie Manning years?

Do you think people from Pittsburgh get puffed up with Steeler Pride at the mention of Cordell Stewart? Nope. Now mention Terry Bradshaw. Yup, they puffed.

If the quality of the players made no difference then every team would sell out every seat in every game. I haven't seen a blackout in New Orleans since, hmm... Since Aaron Brooks was the QB.

saintfan · 03-24-2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

I mean, really, do you cherish the Aaron Brooks years and the Bobby Hebert years as much as the Drew Brees years or the Archie Manning years?

Yes. I certainly do. And the Billy Joe's and the Everette's too. And I don't remember any blackouts during Brooks' time with the team, but I could be wrong.

Look, it's a combination of players and geography for most people, and we latch on to players and loathe others, but we still live and die by what the 'team' does on Sunday. I'll be bleeding Black and Gold long after Drew retires. So will you. That's part of what makes it so popular - the fact that we'd latch on to replacement players too if they played long enough. That's just the nature of the beast. And I think that's the argument.

And I agree with Saint_Michael 100%. The comparisons are completely valid. Why shouldn't they be?

Memnoch_TP · 03-24-2011, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

That's how it works in the 'real' world. Why should the NFL be excluded from the real world?

You guys seem to think I am arguing philosophy. I am arguing reality.

Why the NFL should or should not be excluded from the "real world" is irrelevant.

The fact is, the NFL IS excluded from the "real world".

When it comes to the philosophy, I can't even agree that they "should" be held to the same employment standards. They DO have a greater value to their business than the average employee has to their own employers. I'm just not down with communism. Everyone does not have the same value. If you have the leverage to make a better deal because of higher value, good on you.

Memnoch_TP · 03-24-2011, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger.

Seconded.

You don't have to be a Honey Badger to not give a ****!

saintfan · 03-25-2011, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

You guys seem to think I am arguing philosophy. I am arguing reality.

Why the NFL should or should not be excluded from the "real world" is irrelevant.

The fact is, the NFL IS excluded from the "real world".

When it comes to the philosophy, I can't even agree that they "should" be held to the same employment standards. They DO have a greater value to their business than the average employee has to their own employers. I'm just not down with communism. Everyone does not have the same value. If you have the leverage to make a better deal because of higher value, good on you.

That thinking is how Union labor got too big for its britches.

03-24-2011, 05:52 PM	#52
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger.
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03-24-2011, 06:16 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger. It's okay. Remember: Honey Badger don't give a ****

03-24-2011, 06:28 PM	#54
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by saintfan It's okay. Remember: Honey Badger don't give a **** Seems I've heard that somewhere before.
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446

03-24-2011, 09:03 PM	#56
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL When the players and their families try to play the sympathy card and make themselves out to be simple down home-folks who sacrifice their blood, sweat, and tears to play a game they love without being properly compensated for, then it is relevant. They are blatantly and unashamedly shopping for public support with this letter, so if they are going to try and paint themselves as of the common fan, then the common fan has the right to make these comparisons. Fujita's wife's letter pissed me off too. And I didn't say you didn't have the right to make those comparisons, just that they are bad comparisons that don't apply. Which is true. You can say the earth is flat till you are blue in the face, too. It doesn't make it so. Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL I also disagree that the players are not indispensable. This is the same egotistical stance that the players are taking and thereby making the mistake of thinking they are bigger than the game. Let's face it, we don't follow the Saints because of Drew Brees, we follow them because they are the New Orleans Saints. Actually... When we signed Drew Brees season ticket sales spiked. Weeks later when we drafted Reggie season tickets were sold out. I can't tell you the last time this happened, but I know it has been a long damn time. So, I'm sorry, but all I have to dispute that statement with are indisputable facts. Hard cold numbers that say before Drew Brees played a single down for the Saints he filled more seats than Aaron Brooks. You can call it an egotistical stance, fine. Maybe it is egotistical, but that does NOT make it incorrect. Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL ...my point is the NFL and the teams they include are much more historically important to the fans than the individual players who have worn the uniforms. Players come and go, but the colors never change (unless you are the Tampa Bay Bucs). True, but then again, it is the great players that make the unforgettable moments, but the bad players make the eras you want to forget about. I mean, really, do you cherish the Aaron Brooks years and the Bobby Hebert years as much as the Drew Brees years or the Archie Manning years? Do you think people from Pittsburgh get puffed up with Steeler Pride at the mention of Cordell Stewart? Nope. Now mention Terry Bradshaw. Yup, they puffed. If the quality of the players made no difference then every team would sell out every seat in every game. I haven't seen a blackout in New Orleans since, hmm... Since Aaron Brooks was the QB.
	"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams.

03-24-2011, 09:50 PM	#57
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP I mean, really, do you cherish the Aaron Brooks years and the Bobby Hebert years as much as the Drew Brees years or the Archie Manning years? Yes. I certainly do. And the Billy Joe's and the Everette's too. And I don't remember any blackouts during Brooks' time with the team, but I could be wrong. Look, it's a combination of players and geography for most people, and we latch on to players and loathe others, but we still live and die by what the 'team' does on Sunday. I'll be bleeding Black and Gold long after Drew retires. So will you. That's part of what makes it so popular - the fact that we'd latch on to replacement players too if they played long enough. That's just the nature of the beast. And I think that's the argument. And I agree with Saint_Michael 100%. The comparisons are completely valid. Why shouldn't they be?
	C'mon Man...

03-24-2011, 05:27 PM	#51
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	(BF'27, close your ears & eyes) i dont believe that dude's really that grossed out by the concept of eating a snake that spits.

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03-24-2011, 08:11 PM	#55
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	he really doesnt. he'll eat cobras... just like.... whatever...

03-24-2011, 10:33 PM	#58
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by saintfan That's how it works in the 'real' world. Why should the NFL be excluded from the real world? You guys seem to think I am arguing philosophy. I am arguing reality. Why the NFL should or should not be excluded from the "real world" is irrelevant. The fact is, the NFL IS excluded from the "real world". When it comes to the philosophy, I can't even agree that they "should" be held to the same employment standards. They DO have a greater value to their business than the average employee has to their own employers. I'm just not down with communism. Everyone does not have the same value. If you have the leverage to make a better deal because of higher value, good on you.
	"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams.

03-24-2011, 10:38 PM	#59
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL More power to you guys. But if I didn't change my avatar during hot Asian girl month, I sure ain't gonna do it for the honey badger. Seconded. You don't have to be a Honey Badger to not give a ****!

03-25-2011, 12:41 AM	#60
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP You guys seem to think I am arguing philosophy. I am arguing reality. Why the NFL should or should not be excluded from the "real world" is irrelevant. The fact is, the NFL IS excluded from the "real world". When it comes to the philosophy, I can't even agree that they "should" be held to the same employment standards. They DO have a greater value to their business than the average employee has to their own employers. I'm just not down with communism. Everyone does not have the same value. If you have the leverage to make a better deal because of higher value, good on you. That thinking is how Union labor got too big for its britches.