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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Personally I have no desire to crucify a QB for a fumble in a case where it is a forced turnover. If the QB has cocked his arm to release the ball and a defender grabs the passing hand causing ...
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12-10-2003, 09:43 AM | #11 |
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Personally I have no desire to crucify a QB for a fumble in a case where it is a forced turnover. If the QB has cocked his arm to release the ball and a defender grabs the passing hand causing the fumble I don\'t blame the QB. Even blown blocking assignments that don\'t allow for 3 second pockets. It\'s the unforced, lack of concentration fumbles that make me break things. This fumbling arguement that has involved HOF QB\'s needs to be a relative comparison. Do you have any stats that quote unforced turnovers? Because I think that is the issue people are mad about.
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12-10-2003, 09:57 AM | #12 |
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I do know that Brooks has 2 unforced fumbles this year. Let\'s be honest here. Most of the folks that are calling for Brooks head because of the fumbles are the same folks that wanted him gone a long time ago. The bottom line is other QB\'s have had this problem besides Brooks and Elway. It happens and if it is correctable. No one has given in solid arguements as to why Brooks should be cut. At least I make a fair comparison. They just want him gone because they think he has done something that warrants getting rid of him. But the FACT is other QB\'s have done the samethings Brooks has done and gone on to have great careers. Also, no one want\'s to talk about ANY of the positives of Brooks. Sounds unfair to me. [Edited on 10/12/2003 by BillyC] |
12-10-2003, 09:59 AM | #13 |
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Good retort, Lumm0x. No one has seemed to clarify that, but I believe you\'re right about everyone being upset about the \"unforced\" fumbles. AB does it WAY too much. BillyC has compared Brooks to Elway and Favre? That is like comparing Shawn Bradley to Shaquille O\'Neal. Elway and Favre have been perrenial WINNERS. What has Brooks done? He lead the team to ONE playoff victory that wouldn\'t have even happened had it not been for Az-Hakim. Not saying that Brooks hasn\'t done anything, because he\'s been consistently average for the NFL, and as a Saint, he\'s been great......statistically. I think the majority of us find Brooks as a major disappointment because of the playoff win. We expected much more and he hasn\'t delivered. Sure it\'s a team effort, but AB hasn\'t shown anything to me or I\'m sure many of us that he\'s the man to do it again in the playoffs. A change of scenery or a change of coaching is exactly what he needs. Haslett has spoiled him too long into being passive about every bad play, bad throw, or bad game. Some coach out there is going to light a fire under his ass. Brooks has a lot of potential......I just don\'t see it in New Orleans.
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12-10-2003, 10:04 AM | #14 |
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[Edited on 10/12/2003 by BillyC] |
12-10-2003, 10:13 AM | #15 |
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BillyC! Did you stop reading my post right after you read that comment? If you did, let me show what else I said:
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12-10-2003, 10:14 AM | #16 |
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12-10-2003, 10:18 AM | #17 |
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Yeah man I read it and I agree with you to a point. I am just saying I feel my arguement shows where other QB\'s have had simular problems and overcome them. Maybe Brooks will follow suit or maybe he won\'t. I just think he deserves a chance to show he can hold on to the ball. |
12-10-2003, 10:26 AM | #18 |
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Brett Favre-Couldn\'t get through a game without a dumb throw that resulted in a costly turnover. Both of these players didn\'t get any respect until their 3rd or 4th years. Can Brooks become a Favre or Elway? Doubtful. But the pattern of early inconsistency is noteworthy. I think Brooks can develop into a QB much like a Randal Cunningham or a young Jeff Blake, back when he used to chunk it deep frequently to Pickens and whats-his-name. |
12-10-2003, 10:32 AM | #19 |
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Darnay Scott, by the way. You\'re right about those two QB\'s. They did overcome a TON of adversity, but I think the majority of Saints fans have made up their minds. If i\'m not mistaken, Elway and Favre brought those two teams back during rebuilding periods for their respective franchises. Neither were that good when they joined their teams. However, Brooks mopped up where Jeff Blake left off. He continued the Saints to the playoffs and has done nothing but regress mentally ever since. That\'s why I think that he won\'t be the Saints QB for very much longer. If he is, Jim Haslett won\'t be the one to coach him. Something has GOT to change.
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12-10-2003, 10:36 AM | #20 |
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