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Reggie Bush stays with the Saints as one of the lead running backs 9 18.75%
Reggie Bush stays with the Saints, as a situational running back only 22 45.83%
Reggie Bush stays with the Saints, and the coaches convert him into a wide receiver 7 14.58%
Reggie Bush leaves the Saints, in exchange for one or more draft picks 8 16.67%
Reggie Bush leaves the Saints, in exchange for a player of the same caliber 2 4.17%
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Which Reggie Bush scenario would you like to see happen?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jcp026 Reggie stays as a situational running back and occasional slot receiver, as well as kick and punt returner. He takes a HUGE pay cut and keeps his mouth shut. Sounds like the perfect scenario. Agree, except ...

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Old 05-10-2011, 08:23 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by jcp026 View Post
Reggie stays as a situational running back and occasional slot receiver, as well as kick and punt returner. He takes a HUGE pay cut and keeps his mouth shut. Sounds like the perfect scenario.
Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all.
Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:37 AM   #3
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Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad.
Reggie Bush
2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8)
(ranked 27th among "qualified" returners)

2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year)
(ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners)

2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards)

2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)


2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008.

Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career.


His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010.

Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL.

Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south.
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:24 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Reggie Bush
2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8)
(ranked 27th among "qualified" returners)

2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year)
(ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners)

2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards)

2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)


2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008.

Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career.


His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010.

Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL.

Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south.

Even being ranked 53rd isn't that bad. Did you realize that literally HUNDREDS of players do punt returns on a yearly basis? Being ranked 53rd out of 200 is good. Being ranked 23rd is even better. And you can't remove his one good year - that one good year is PART of his career and can't be dislodged no matter how hard you try. By the way, did you bother to list how many attempts he's had in each of those years? You are cherry-picking data to support your conclusions. 7.8 yards is a good career punt return average no matter how you slice it. I could turn right around and say, "Reggie Bush has had good punt returns, except for the year 2009. If you take 2009 out of the equation, he's averaged 9 yards per punt return." And anyway, in 2008 he did 20 returns, which is a good amount of returns to do an average. He only ranks 9th because there are some returners who ran only 1 or 2 punt returns and had a really good runback in the one or two times that they tried.

Nice try though.
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Originally Posted by ClintSaints View Post
Even being ranked 53rd isn't that bad. Did you realize that literally HUNDREDS of players do punt returns on a yearly basis? Being ranked 53rd out of 200 is good. Being ranked 23rd is even better. And you can't remove his one good year - that one good year is PART of his career and can't be dislodged no matter how hard you try. By the way, did you bother to list how many attempts he's had in each of those years? You are cherry-picking data to support your conclusions. 7.8 yards is a good career punt return average no matter how you slice it. I could turn right around and say, "Reggie Bush has had good punt returns, except for the year 2009. If you take 2009 out of the equation, he's averaged 9 yards per punt return." And anyway, in 2008 he did 20 returns, which is a good amount of returns to do an average. He only ranks 9th because there are some returners who ran only 1 or 2 punt returns and had a really good runback in the one or two times that they tried.

Nice try though.
53rd is terrible no matter which way you slice it. Did you read the stats?

And when you include eligible returners (which I did) he ranks near dead last as well.

Total Average includes attempts, so its apples to apples.

Even if you include EVERY SEASON, EVERY RETURN, his average would rank us 23rd in the NFL out of 32 teams.

Sorry, you can spin it all you want, that is NOT good by any standard.

Its amazing how people keep justifying his poor performances time and time again when the facts do not support it in any way shape or form. He has officially become Reggie Brooks.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
53rd is terrible no matter which way you slice it. Did you read the stats?

And when you include eligible returners (which I did) he ranks near dead last as well.

Total Average includes attempts, so its apples to apples.

Even if you include EVERY SEASON, EVERY RETURN, his average would rank us 23rd in the NFL out of 32 teams.

Sorry, you can spin it all you want, that is NOT good by any standard.

Its amazing how people keep justifying his poor performances time and time again when the facts do not support it in any way shape or form. He has officially become Reggie Brooks.
Why do you hate Reggie Bush so much? 7.8 yards per punt return is average it is not bad. Your original contention that he is a bad punt returner is simply wrong wrong wrong. What did Reggie Bush ever do to you? He had several incredible performances in the last season in which he was healthy 2009-2010 and he was absolute best in the playoffs and Super Bowl. This is not even in dispute. And then he had the misfortune of having a 250 pound idiot from the 49ers fall on top of him while he was on the ground which basically took him out of last season.

Btw, the average amount of punts that take place in an NFL game is around 5 or 6. That's approximately 2600 punts in a season of NFL football. About half of those actually get returned (there were 1262 punt returns last season). There are approximately 40 punt returners in the NFL who return punts on a regular enough basis to even talk about. Therefore, the rank of 23rd is not out of a pool of 32 NFL teams because some teams use more than one regular punt returner. The rank of 23rd is out of a pool of about 40 returners or possibly even more. That's perfectly average, not bad. Another point is that Reggie Bush's average of 7.8 would have put him in 20th position for the 2010 season (minimum 20 returns), which again is not bad at all.

And also, another category which must be considered is that Reggie Bush is on a very elite list of punt returners who have more than 3 punts returned for a touchdown. He has 4 during the regular season, which places him tied for 18th IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. That is out of thousands and thousands of punt returners. This once again defeats your contention that he is a bad punt returner. He is not a BAD punt returner. He is not a punt return specialist like Devin Hester. But to say that he is a bad punt returner is factually wrong.
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Why do you hate Reggie Bush so much? 7.8 yards per punt return is average it is not bad. Your original contention that he is a bad punt returner is simply wrong wrong wrong. What did Reggie Bush ever do to you? He had several incredible performances in the last season in which he was healthy 2009-2010 and he was absolute best in the playoffs and Super Bowl. This is not even in dispute. And then he had the misfortune of having a 250 pound idiot from the 49ers fall on top of him while he was on the ground which basically took him out of last season.

Btw, the average amount of punts that take place in an NFL game is around 5 or 6. That's approximately 2600 punts in a season of NFL football. About half of those actually get returned (there were 1262 punt returns last season). There are approximately 40 punt returners in the NFL who return punts on a regular enough basis to even talk about. Therefore, the rank of 23rd is not out of a pool of 32 NFL teams because some teams use more than one regular punt returner. The rank of 23rd is out of a pool of about 40 returners or possibly even more. That's perfectly average, not bad. Another point is that Reggie Bush's average of 7.8 would have put him in 20th position for the 2010 season (minimum 20 returns), which again is not bad at all.

And also, another category which must be considered is that Reggie Bush is on a very elite list of punt returners who have more than 3 punts returned for a touchdown. He has 4 during the regular season, which places him tied for 18th IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. That is out of thousands and thousands of punt returners. This once again defeats your contention that he is a bad punt returner. He is not a BAD punt returner. He is not a punt return specialist like Devin Hester. But to say that he is a bad punt returner is factually wrong.
I don't hate Reggie.

7.8 is bad for a punt returner (would rank 23rd in 2010). Why do you keep insisting that it isn't? 23rd out of 32 teams is bad. Our own Lance Moore has a better career average as a Saint than Reggie does, by almost an entire yard.

To suggest that Reggie isn't a bad returner is factually wrong wrong wrong IMO and backed up by facts.

As far as TD's go, 3 of his 4 TD's were all in 2008, and two were against the same team. Sorry, not impressed at all.

In 2008 he was GREAT, no question and anyone who says otherwise is foolish, but this leauge isn't about what you did 3 seasons ago, its about now.

But I'm sure he'll break a long one next year to go along with numerous bad ones (and a few fumbles) and the Reggie apologists will be in love with him all over again.

I'll leave it at this, Jim Henderson said it best...

For every one play that makes you say, “Who else could do that?” there are at least 10 plays that have you say, “Who else couldn’t do that?”
Thats Jim Henderson, and he's certainly no Bush hater either.
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