An unbiased look at..............

BillyC · 12-11-2003, 08:55 PM

but his account might be badly overdrawn

You definately have a way with words Joe. Overdrawn huh? LMAO...

WhoDat · 12-11-2003, 08:57 PM

Two things.

1. I don\'t remember any of those guys being labeled as smart. I\'m not saying they weren\'t, but I sure don\'t remember. Can you provide proof that they were labeled smart?

2. Intelligence in life and intelligence on a football field may be different things. I\'ve never played at that level so I can\'t speak to it. Brooks may not be stupid in general, but he seems to be a football dolt to me.

BillyC · 12-12-2003, 12:08 AM

Recently, Akili Smith cemented his status as the second best quarterback in the draft. It wasn\'t what he did with a football in his hand, but with a pencil. No. 2, no doubt.

At the scouting combine, the Oregon quarterback took the Wonderlic Personnel Test. He scored a 37, which means he probably can build a bomb as well as throw one. To put his score in perspective, Steve Young, considered one of the brightest players in the NFL, scored a 33 when he took the test. One year, the highest score of any player was a 38. The highest score this year was a 43, strangely enough by another Oregon quarterback, Jason Maas.

Mirer, who played in an option offense under coach Lou Holtz at Notre Dame, said the first true teacher of quarterbacks whom he encountered was offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh in Chicago.

\"He had played my position for 14 years,\" said Mirer, who scored 31 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test in 1993. \"He taught me the basics first, then how to see and attack a defense. I had never been taught that.

Packers quarterbacks coach Andy Reid said Mirer\'s accuracy had been tremendous so far. Bill Walsh once described Mirer as Joe Montana with a stronger arm.

I think way too much is made about Brooks\' lack of intelligence. Clearly if all it took was the physical ability and a high IQ to be a sucessful QB, then it would be very easy to find a franchise QB. Not to say that someone\'s mental capacity couldn\'t prevent them from handling the position. I don\'t think things like fumbling a football have anything to do with intelligence. I also don\'t think you can say Brooks\' lack of intelligence is the reason he can\'t read defenses. While I don\'t think Brooks is a master at reading a defense, I don\'t think he\'s bad at it either. I mean he is completing about 60% of his passes and spreads the ball all over the field. Somehow this guy manages to put up better stats than some of the highly thought of QB\'s in the league. If he has a problem reading defenses then what\'s wrong with the Tom Brady\'s of the world?

Through the years I have watched several QB\'s go through simular struggles and come out just fine. I have watched QB\'s this year struggle in games as much or more than Brooks. The only REAL problem that Brooks is causing this team right now has been the fumbles. I can definately see a case being made to bench him if the fumbling doesn\'t stop, but to be talking about trading him? Can\'t see that at all and I would say that about any QB for any team. Even Jake.

None of what I have said is to excuse Brooks from his fumbling. I also freely admit that I\'m on the pro-Brooks side of the fence. Just like their are the anti-Brooiks folks on the other side. I always have some doubts if a young QB is going to put it all together. I admit I have a little more doubt as of late. With the way this TEAM has played this year and the doubts I have about the coaching staff\'s ability. I don\'t know what to think about this team anymore. You say it\'s always something different. I say it\'s always something differnt with this TEAM. If we can win 12 games with Bobby Hebert and not with Brooks, then we have a problem much bigger than the QB position.

[Edited on 12/12/2003 by BillyC]

[Edited on 12/12/2003 by BillyC]

Cassady37 · 12-12-2003, 05:01 PM

Ok, I was kind of curious about what everyone else thought about this. If Brooks did get traded or cut and went to another team do you think he would ever do good again? I mean if we\'re to believe everything the coach fed to us a fans do you think his bruised ego would let him recover enough to reach his potential with any other coach. I mean, you have to admit, Haslett has spoon-fed him more than any other coach will do. And I mean this in all sincerity, not as a stab at Brooks.

rich006 · 12-14-2003, 02:14 PM

Haslett has spoon-fed him more than any other coach will do.

Maybe that\'s part of the problem. Hopefully after Haslett\'s statements this week, Brooks will take it upon himself to win the game a little more than he has recently. He\'s been spouting coach-isms like \"it\'s a team game\" all year. That may be the right thing for a coach to say, but the QB has to believe it\'s his OWN responsibility to lead the team to victory on the field. If Brooks starts playing his game instead of the game he thinks the coaches want him to play, I guarantee better results.

BillyC · 12-14-2003, 02:21 PM

It\'s going to be very interesting for me to see how Brooks responds to the threat of being benched. This is the first time he\'s had to worry about that. I think it\'s absolutely the best thing Haslett could have done, regardless of how Brooks responds.

I\'ve seen Brooks respond well in criticial situations more times than not, which all the comeback vitories would prove. I think he\'ll respond well. If not, then he needs to go to the bench and maybe it will help him mature and grow as a QB.

[Edited on 14/12/2003 by BillyC]

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12-11-2003, 08:57 PM	#22
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	An unbiased look at.............. Two things. 1. I don\'t remember any of those guys being labeled as smart. I\'m not saying they weren\'t, but I sure don\'t remember. Can you provide proof that they were labeled smart? 2. Intelligence in life and intelligence on a football field may be different things. I\'ve never played at that level so I can\'t speak to it. Brooks may not be stupid in general, but he seems to be a football dolt to me.
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12-12-2003, 12:08 AM	#23
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	An unbiased look at.............. Recently, Akili Smith cemented his status as the second best quarterback in the draft. It wasn\'t what he did with a football in his hand, but with a pencil. No. 2, no doubt. At the scouting combine, the Oregon quarterback took the Wonderlic Personnel Test. He scored a 37, which means he probably can build a bomb as well as throw one. To put his score in perspective, Steve Young, considered one of the brightest players in the NFL, scored a 33 when he took the test. One year, the highest score of any player was a 38. The highest score this year was a 43, strangely enough by another Oregon quarterback, Jason Maas. Mirer, who played in an option offense under coach Lou Holtz at Notre Dame, said the first true teacher of quarterbacks whom he encountered was offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh in Chicago. \"He had played my position for 14 years,\" said Mirer, who scored 31 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test in 1993. \"He taught me the basics first, then how to see and attack a defense. I had never been taught that. Packers quarterbacks coach Andy Reid said Mirer\'s accuracy had been tremendous so far. Bill Walsh once described Mirer as Joe Montana with a stronger arm. I think way too much is made about Brooks\' lack of intelligence. Clearly if all it took was the physical ability and a high IQ to be a sucessful QB, then it would be very easy to find a franchise QB. Not to say that someone\'s mental capacity couldn\'t prevent them from handling the position. I don\'t think things like fumbling a football have anything to do with intelligence. I also don\'t think you can say Brooks\' lack of intelligence is the reason he can\'t read defenses. While I don\'t think Brooks is a master at reading a defense, I don\'t think he\'s bad at it either. I mean he is completing about 60% of his passes and spreads the ball all over the field. Somehow this guy manages to put up better stats than some of the highly thought of QB\'s in the league. If he has a problem reading defenses then what\'s wrong with the Tom Brady\'s of the world? Through the years I have watched several QB\'s go through simular struggles and come out just fine. I have watched QB\'s this year struggle in games as much or more than Brooks. The only REAL problem that Brooks is causing this team right now has been the fumbles. I can definately see a case being made to bench him if the fumbling doesn\'t stop, but to be talking about trading him? Can\'t see that at all and I would say that about any QB for any team. Even Jake. None of what I have said is to excuse Brooks from his fumbling. I also freely admit that I\'m on the pro-Brooks side of the fence. Just like their are the anti-Brooiks folks on the other side. I always have some doubts if a young QB is going to put it all together. I admit I have a little more doubt as of late. With the way this TEAM has played this year and the doubts I have about the coaching staff\'s ability. I don\'t know what to think about this team anymore. You say it\'s always something different. I say it\'s always something differnt with this TEAM. If we can win 12 games with Bobby Hebert and not with Brooks, then we have a problem much bigger than the QB position. [Edited on 12/12/2003 by BillyC] [Edited on 12/12/2003 by BillyC]
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12-12-2003, 05:01 PM	#24
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	An unbiased look at.............. Ok, I was kind of curious about what everyone else thought about this. If Brooks did get traded or cut and went to another team do you think he would ever do good again? I mean if we\'re to believe everything the coach fed to us a fans do you think his bruised ego would let him recover enough to reach his potential with any other coach. I mean, you have to admit, Haslett has spoon-fed him more than any other coach will do. And I mean this in all sincerity, not as a stab at Brooks.

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rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	An unbiased look at.............. Haslett has spoon-fed him more than any other coach will do. Maybe that\'s part of the problem. Hopefully after Haslett\'s statements this week, Brooks will take it upon himself to win the game a little more than he has recently. He\'s been spouting coach-isms like \"it\'s a team game\" all year. That may be the right thing for a coach to say, but the QB has to believe it\'s his OWN responsibility to lead the team to victory on the field. If Brooks starts playing his game instead of the game he thinks the coaches want him to play, I guarantee better results.
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12-14-2003, 02:21 PM	#26
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	An unbiased look at.............. It\'s going to be very interesting for me to see how Brooks responds to the threat of being benched. This is the first time he\'s had to worry about that. I think it\'s absolutely the best thing Haslett could have done, regardless of how Brooks responds. I\'ve seen Brooks respond well in criticial situations more times than not, which all the comeback vitories would prove. I think he\'ll respond well. If not, then he needs to go to the bench and maybe it will help him mature and grow as a QB. [Edited on 14/12/2003 by BillyC]
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