Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP!

BillyC · 12-11-2003, 05:23 PM

WhoDat -- Agree with you on that. I addressed that topic on \"the biggest problem\" thread\"

[Edited on 11/12/2003 by BillyC]

WhoDat · 12-11-2003, 05:36 PM

Man, you\'re not so bad when you\'re not drunk off of Tang!!

LOL

rusta · 12-12-2003, 06:45 PM

i wouldn\'t get too excited about next years CB pool

at least half of those guys will get franchised and the other half will be thrown to the wolves, let\'s not forget that there are about a dozen teams out there that need serious help at corner and almost all of them are more willing to dish out the bucks than we are

this brings another point about haz, if we were to go and by some miracle get a big name at coach or perhaps an up and coming D coordinator to take the coaching job, would that coach attract one of these CB\'s? cuz right now i don\'t see anyone turning down big money to play for haz

WhoDat · 12-12-2003, 08:34 PM

I don\'t see anyone turning down big money... period. The question is, will players take LESS money to come play here b/c they feel Haz is a good coach or that they would have a shot at competing for a title? I think the answer is no, and that means players will ask for more money to come to NO than they would to go elsewhere. New Orleans is where players come to die.

Danno · 12-13-2003, 09:30 AM

Thats why GM\'s are so dam important to teams. They look a season ahead at all times.

I hope Loomis comes through. How do you guys see it?

Exactly Gator, I think thats why Looms gets slammed so often. Many picks are not expected to contribute until a year or two later. If they do right away (like Holland) , thats great. But their vision is long-term.

Stinchcomb-A 2 year project. Starter in 2005
Holland-1 year project (took even less)
Mel Mitchell-2 year project to replace Sammy, (took only one, but he got hurt)
Craver-2 year project (he may still bust or boom)
Cie Grant-1 year project (injuries might make it 1-1/2)
Melvin Willaims-2 year project (ahead of schedule)
Charles Grant- 1/2 year project, (worked out well I\'d say)
Donte Stallworth-Immediate starter (he\'s approaching BUST at warp drive)
J. Sullivan-immediate starter (average results but huge upside for next year)

You get the picture. Too many fans want immediate results from all draft picks.
Loomis and Haz TRY to do it right. They have made some mistakes, but their procedures look good to me.

BillyC · 12-13-2003, 09:53 AM

You get the picture. Too many fans want immediate results from all draft picks.
Loomis and Haz TRY to do it right. They have made some mistakes, but their procedures look good to me.

I think every draft the Saints have had that they did a very good job. There are no complaints from me about the way the Saints have drafted players. Since the first year of the Haslett era, we have drafted players like :

1. Deuce.
2. Charles Grant.
3. Darren Howard.
4. Johnathan Sullivan.
5. Le Charles Bentley.
6. Montre Holland.

I think those are 6 real impact players in 3-years. That\'s not bad. Then we have several more players that COULD develop into impact players a little further down the road.

The problem is, I don\'t think you can be successful just drafting players. By the time you draft enough players to field a great team, you are going to lose some of those players to free agency.

I think the key is to sign some TRUE impact players in free agency. The only TRUE impact player we have singed in free agence is Joe Horn. I think the key for a team to get over the hump is that they have to sign enough TRUE impact players in free agency. For whatever reason, we haven\'t done that. Can that change? I hope so.

saint5221 · 12-13-2003, 12:41 PM

Clemons is the perfect example. As an OLB the man led the team in tackles, led the team in sacks with 13.5, and had a few INTs too. He was the defensive captain and called the plays. So let\'s move him inside right? OK, he fails miserably inside (was that his fault or Haslett\'s?). OK, well, just move him back outside to where he was a stud a year ago right? Wrong. Clearly he\'s a problem so let\'s ship him outta here.

Your a little off here WhoDat. Clemons always was a middle linbacker. He was in the middle in college at Georgia and was fighting London Flecher for the middle job in St. Louis. We signed him as free agent from St Louis to be in the middle. After he IRed his first year in 2000, he had his big year in 2001. He was used in Zooks scheme lined up all over the field to rush the passer a lot. But he was still our middle LB they just turned him loose. The next year the scheme changed when Zook left and we know what happened from there. The Texans signed him to be a outside LB after we let him leave but that was considered a move to let him get after the passer again.

I do agree with your overall premise of Haslett creating his own problems with to many roster moves.

[Edited on 12/13/2003 by saint5221]

BillyC · 12-13-2003, 01:39 PM

Your a little off here WhoDat.

You\'re just now figuring out that WhoDat is a\" little off\"? I\'ve known it for a while now.

I think they are on to ya WhoDat. \"OFF\" is right. Off his rocker. LMAO... :P

[Edited on 13/12/2003 by BillyC]

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rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! i wouldn\'t get too excited about next years CB pool at least half of those guys will get franchised and the other half will be thrown to the wolves, let\'s not forget that there are about a dozen teams out there that need serious help at corner and almost all of them are more willing to dish out the bucks than we are this brings another point about haz, if we were to go and by some miracle get a big name at coach or perhaps an up and coming D coordinator to take the coaching job, would that coach attract one of these CB\'s? cuz right now i don\'t see anyone turning down big money to play for haz
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! I don\'t see anyone turning down big money... period. The question is, will players take LESS money to come play here b/c they feel Haz is a good coach or that they would have a shot at competing for a title? I think the answer is no, and that means players will ask for more money to come to NO than they would to go elsewhere. New Orleans is where players come to die.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! Thats why GM\'s are so dam important to teams. They look a season ahead at all times. I hope Loomis comes through. How do you guys see it? Exactly Gator, I think thats why Looms gets slammed so often. Many picks are not expected to contribute until a year or two later. If they do right away (like Holland) , thats great. But their vision is long-term. Stinchcomb-A 2 year project. Starter in 2005 Holland-1 year project (took even less) Mel Mitchell-2 year project to replace Sammy, (took only one, but he got hurt) Craver-2 year project (he may still bust or boom) Cie Grant-1 year project (injuries might make it 1-1/2) Melvin Willaims-2 year project (ahead of schedule) Charles Grant- 1/2 year project, (worked out well I\'d say) Donte Stallworth-Immediate starter (he\'s approaching BUST at warp drive) J. Sullivan-immediate starter (average results but huge upside for next year) You get the picture. Too many fans want immediate results from all draft picks. Loomis and Haz TRY to do it right. They have made some mistakes, but their procedures look good to me.

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12-13-2003, 09:53 AM	#16
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! You get the picture. Too many fans want immediate results from all draft picks. Loomis and Haz TRY to do it right. They have made some mistakes, but their procedures look good to me. I think every draft the Saints have had that they did a very good job. There are no complaints from me about the way the Saints have drafted players. Since the first year of the Haslett era, we have drafted players like : 1. Deuce. 2. Charles Grant. 3. Darren Howard. 4. Johnathan Sullivan. 5. Le Charles Bentley. 6. Montre Holland. I think those are 6 real impact players in 3-years. That\'s not bad. Then we have several more players that COULD develop into impact players a little further down the road. The problem is, I don\'t think you can be successful just drafting players. By the time you draft enough players to field a great team, you are going to lose some of those players to free agency. I think the key is to sign some TRUE impact players in free agency. The only TRUE impact player we have singed in free agence is Joe Horn. I think the key for a team to get over the hump is that they have to sign enough TRUE impact players in free agency. For whatever reason, we haven\'t done that. Can that change? I hope so.
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12-13-2003, 12:41 PM	#17
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! Clemons is the perfect example. As an OLB the man led the team in tackles, led the team in sacks with 13.5, and had a few INTs too. He was the defensive captain and called the plays. So let\'s move him inside right? OK, he fails miserably inside (was that his fault or Haslett\'s?). OK, well, just move him back outside to where he was a stud a year ago right? Wrong. Clearly he\'s a problem so let\'s ship him outta here. Your a little off here WhoDat. Clemons always was a middle linbacker. He was in the middle in college at Georgia and was fighting London Flecher for the middle job in St. Louis. We signed him as free agent from St Louis to be in the middle. After he IRed his first year in 2000, he had his big year in 2001. He was used in Zooks scheme lined up all over the field to rush the passer a lot. But he was still our middle LB they just turned him loose. The next year the scheme changed when Zook left and we know what happened from there. The Texans signed him to be a outside LB after we let him leave but that was considered a move to let him get after the passer again. I do agree with your overall premise of Haslett creating his own problems with to many roster moves. [Edited on 12/13/2003 by saint5221]
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12-13-2003, 01:39 PM	#18
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Free-agent Cornerbacks-DEEP GROUP! Your a little off here WhoDat. You\'re just now figuring out that WhoDat is a\" little off\"? I\'ve known it for a while now. I think they are on to ya WhoDat. \"OFF\" is right. Off his rocker. LMAO... :P [Edited on 13/12/2003 by BillyC]
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