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WhoDat!656 07-11-2011 05:22 PM

Reggie Bush by the numbers
 
Reggie Bush by the Numbers: An Empirical Overview of Bush's Career | Bleacher Report

Danno 07-11-2011 05:30 PM

Way too many people compare Saints with Reggie versus Saints without Reggie.

A better comparison would be comparing the Saints with Reggie versus the Saints with another running back we could acquire for his salary, or even his actual value.

A 53 man Saints team with Reggie is obviously better than a 52 man team without a top replacement at his position.

WhoDat!656 07-11-2011 05:47 PM

Maybe there is a player that can run better than Bush, but what if he sucks at protecting Brees?

Danno 07-11-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 308092)
Maybe there is a player that can run better than Bush, but what if he sucks at protecting Brees?

Then he won't get any playing time.

Danno 07-11-2011 06:10 PM

This was interesting, if you apply his factors per touch, instead of per game played, Pierre Thomas has better stats. Remember PT was a back-up with limited touches for a while.

TD's per touch - RB .043 / PT .047
Yards per touch - RB 5.35 / PT 5.46
Fumbles per touch - RB .013 / PT .003 WOW!!

The yards per touch stat is amazing for PT since he has less receptions than Reggie (more tha 1/2 less). Receptions typically yield more yards per touch than rushing.

WhoDat!656 07-11-2011 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308093)
Then he won't get any playing time.

Then why sign him?

Beastmode 07-11-2011 10:08 PM

You have to look beyond the numbers to see the real value with Reggie. WR, slot WR, RB, Scatback, kick returner, punt returner...that's a lot of responsibility for one player.

And he does all those task better than fair and always has the physical ability to hit it out the park. Add to that he's a good blocker and opens up passing lanes for everyone else, I hope he stays a Saint, atleast for 1 more year just to see if handing over the baton to Ingram and PT on the running b/t the tackes would allow him to focus on specific duties and get some real consistency.

saintsfan1976 07-11-2011 10:20 PM

Beyond the numbers, huh?

Look at the numbers again. They decrease every season. How is that "value"?

Danno 07-11-2011 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 308120)
Then why sign him?

Sign who? What are you talking about?

Saint_LB 07-12-2011 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308132)
Sign who? What are you talking about?


WhoDat!656 07-12-2011 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308093)
Then he won't get any playing time.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 308132)
Sign who? What are you talking about?

The player that runs better than Bush but sucks at protecting Brees

Danno 07-12-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 308161)
The player that runs better than Bush but sucks at protecting Brees

And why would we want to sign anyone like that? Did anyone suggest we do that?

How about signing someone who runs better and pass protects? An upgrade perhaps?

SapperSaint 07-12-2011 09:14 AM

Reggie's days of PR and Kick off have quickly gone in the toilet. Yeah, He had a once in a lifetime of a game against Minny a few years ago. But in the past couple of years he has lost yardage, fumbled, or just let the ball go over his head and the offense gets to start a drive inside the 10.

Yes, Reggie does a lot of jobs..... but lets be realist here. He sucks at most of them, and IMO, he is just trying to make himself seem indispencable.

The more you "can" do, the more "They" need you.

Reggie is failing the "CAN" part of it.

Beastmode 07-12-2011 09:34 AM

Running b/t the tackes his weakest area without question. My point is if he is relieved of those duties and works on returns and being a part-time receiver I could see him having solid numbers. If he is signed as a jack of all trades again though it will be exactly what we have seen the last couple of years; fumbles, lost yards, tripping over his own feet.

SapperSaint 07-12-2011 12:54 PM

I have a Love Hate Love relationship with Reggie. I deep down in my B&G Guts want him to prove people wrong. To include myself.

I agree with you Beast. He needs to be striped of all of those duties and focus in-on what he is best at. I blame the coaches for this. They really didn't know how to use Reggie and searched for every possible thing that he could do, except play defense.

Reggie is great as a receiver and sometimes as a PR. I dunno, I think the Lockout has everyone on edge for the past few months.

Beastmode 07-12-2011 01:18 PM

Sap I couldn't agree with you more. What he's good at are the same things he was good at in college; a very good receiver, scatback, and he likely would be a good returner but I firmly believe he has had entirley too much on his plate and to me that has to do more with coaching decisions.

They experimented and I don't blame them, it just didn't produce the results they were aiming for. Wherever he plays next season I hope someone has the insight to stop using him as a general purpose cleaner and use him as directed on the label.


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