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.............eraised by John Carney missed extra point. The curse continues. Great game though!!!!!!

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You might hate me for this, Billy, but I almost suprised Aaron didn\'t throw the ball away...

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EXCEPT THEY LOST SO IT DOESN\'T MATTER.

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Hate you? Nah......I laugh at you, but I don\'t hate you. You and everyone else might ought to look at how great Books played today against a VERY good defense.

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How did I know that even though he wasn\'t even on the field at the time...someone would have something negative to say about AB. This is disgusting!

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A Jekyll and Hyde team they said in the pre-show. THEY MEANT FROM WEEK TO WEEK, not from play to play.
How can the officials miss the interference call when it\'s that obvious?
Even if the Jaguars ran all over us like the Bengals did in last year\'s next-to-last game and Taylor almost got 200 yards I still enjoyed this game a lot more than last year\'s. It will be very interesting to see (and hear) how the dome welcomes back Haslett and the team next week. Benson will be listening closely.

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Not only did Brooks throw a good pass on the last TD, Brooks was the one that made the block that sprung Paython for the TD!!!!!!!

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exactly my point BIlly!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

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Worth repeating

The most interesting stat :

NEW ORLEANS is 0-2 after a win by 14 or more points this season. (2-5 over the last 3 seasons.)


Take a look at it please . Take into account the flat first half play on Brooks part , he has done it all season . Brooks crams a game into a half , thus balancing his game total stats .The announcer even made it a point at the half .

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\"How did I know that even though he wasn\'t even on the field at the time...someone would have something negative to say about AB. This is disgusting!\"--creole_t

I have a long memory...had Brooks played better during the eight losses this year, this last extra point wouldn\'t have been so crucial. He is an average quarterback and has been ever since he proclaimed himself, during his sit-out, one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL. You may not like it but that\'s the fact, !

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I\'m not going to flame you. I\'m not going to say anything about your post. I\'ll just sit here and laugh my off at you. PLEASE!!!!!!!





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The greatest play of alllllllllllllllllllllllll time.

A bit inconsequential now. Only the Saints can do this.

But - I have a strange feeling. The curse - because surely there is one - is now lifted. Please Saints fans make it so.

We will have a spine, and grow from here.

Believe!

(I\'m getting ready for hibernation now)

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BTW, for you guys who constantly beat the AB drum, consider this: He finished the day 22 of 38 for 296 yards. Take away the 75 yards on the last play and he was 21 of 37 for 221 yards...hardly a stellar performance.

On the bright side, at least he didn\'t fumble the ball.

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Have at it sunshine .. :cool:

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I won\'t even get into this with you. So what if I don\'t agree with you. The point is, how can you even suggest a Brooks fault after being KEY in the play, not only did he recognize the pass, but ran upfield and made the block to spring the score....yet you have the nerve to say \"im surprised he didn\'t throw it away\" WTF does that have to do with him sitting out two seasons ago or claiming to be top 5? nothing.

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On a day where we had NO running game and Deuce fumbled the ball twice, Brooks had to put the offense on his shoulders and had a fantastic day even WITHOUT that last play. Totally laughable!!!!!!!!!

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Billy I believe it is fair to say Brooks is not responsible for losing the game but this statement is a bit of a reach as well.

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\"I won\'t even get into this with you.\"--creole_t
First you say this and then you read me the riot act. Fair enough.

It was sarcasm...if you don\'t know what that is, look it up. In the meantime, don\'t get in a war of words with me.

\"WTF does that have to do with him sitting out two seasons ago or claiming to be top 5? nothing.\"

Since you didn\'t get it the first time, I\'ll try it again. He\'s been average ever since then. Don\'t believe me, look it up. His record as a starter is .500 and you may think he\'s pro-bowl caliber but you\'re wrong. OK?



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Oh really? Exactly what is a reach about it? Keep in mind, every bit of offense we had Brooks was the man pulling the trigger. No running game, fumles by Deuce. Who would you say had the best day for the offense? Also, don\'t overlook the dropped passes and the great decisions Brooks made today. I call it a fantasic day. Was it a career day? NO!! Fantastic? YES!!!!!!

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Wow!

Looks like we have forgotten the KICK already.

Brooks this, Brooks that, Brooks ++++, Brooks ------, Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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I guess I just have a little higher standard for the assessment of fantastic. Don\'t mean to single a word out when there is plenty to agonize over today that had more to do with what happened on the field. Ugly loss and dissapointing way to watch a dissapointing season die.

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saint5221 -- I really don\'t know what else Brooks could have done. Given the circumstance that Brooks was in, I think he made great plays and decisions. He completed passes when they blitzed and threw the ball away when nothing was there. Today either Brooks had to complete passes or there was NOTHING there.

McCarthy\'s play calling absolutely sucked and put the offense in bad situations, time after time. Brooks bailed the offense out so many times after McCarthy kept running Deuce up the middlle for NO gain. Honestly, what else could Brooks have done? He completed 60% of his passes on one of the best defenses in the league. He also threw some great deep passes that were dropped. His stats were fantasitic but it goes way beyond stats today. He made great reads, good decisions, etc, etc..........

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Brooks played well enough for us to win the game. The offensive line could\'ve played better, and Deuce could\'ve held on to the ball.

Brooks was fine today. This game sucks bad enough as it is. Let\'s please not turn this into an Aaron Brooks thread. This week is gonna be hard enough as it is,

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Like I said the Brooks stuff is about semantics not worth commenting on any more.

This I think is an issue to the heart of the problem today. We were having no success with the run and it was being called to often in obvious situations. I truly believe the game plan was the single biggest flaws on the field today next to the run defense.

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Hey, BillyC...Why do you think McCarthy\'s playcalling is so bad? Not just this one game but more often than not? Could it be that the Saints\' playbook has had to be slimmed down to just a few plays so as to not complicate things for Brooks? Let\'s face it...this offense runs the same plays over and over. And AB runs into all sorts of trouble trying to call audibles. Not to mention reading defenses, blah, blah, blah.

When McCarthy was at Green Bay, that offense was never accused of simplicity so why is it that way here?

Think about it...

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Ok, let me think about it. Should I discuss Aaron Brooks with a known Brooks basher that has never said anything positive about the guy? NO!! ;)

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Where\'s my ignore Gator button. Oh here it is -- :o

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Deuce McAllister-2nd year starter, Saints 16-15 with him starting. WOW, I\'m blown away!
Most of you are all over his nutz worshipping this guy when it could be shown by the same criteria Brooks bashers use that this guy has cost us a playoff spot.
Yea, he\'s good. But most of you guys swear he\'s the greatest Saint EVER after only two good years.
There are no winners on this team YET .

EVERY PLAYER ON THIS TEAM IS A LOSER.

If you insist on bashing Aaron Brooks then I feel you must also look at the ENTIRE team, because I think all 53 guys (plus all the injury fill-ins) had a hand in every loss.

Fred Taylor owned Deuce McAllister today.

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Danno...that comment is completely ridiculous.

Deuce, running behind a lackluster o-line, was manhandled by a top 2 rushing defense. Taylor blasted apart a completely useless rush defense that my Grandma in her wheelchair could have got 100 yds on.

Compare apples to apples. I know everyone is upset right now but that is ridiculous.

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Maybe you should try talking about football instead of members. I wouldn\'t want you to get banned again Gator. Now you are officially ignored!!

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Not completely...
My whole point was that this ENTIRE team is to blame, including the all-mighty Deuce McAllister.
He\'s been good for two years and most want to put him in Canton already. But when the Shiite hits the fan he\'s as much to blame as anyone else, and I\'m sure he\'d be the 1st to agree.
Would I trade him for anyone else? NO!
Does he shoulder the blame with everyone else?
YES!
You can\'t point to one or two players on this team for failure,
EVERYONE IS TO BLAME!

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Duece cost us this game as much or MORE than any ONE single player, IF you want to look at it like that. One of his fumbles the Jaguars scored 7-points off of and the next fumble killed a great drive we had going and changed the momentum.

I don\'t fault Duece for the loss though. But, LummOx, I must ask you where you were at when folks were saying the samething about Brooks? I see you are here defending Deuce when he did the samething?

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Ok, let me think about it. Should I discuss Aaron Brooks with a known Brooks basher that has never said anything positive about the guy? NO!! --BillyC

Hmmm...that\'s the easy way out. I expected more from you. In the past, I have remarked on Brooks\' stats but I\'ve also said I would gladly give up stats for wins. I\'m not so sure Brooks would.

When he came out of Virginia, his mental aptitude was questioned and that resulted in him dropping down in the draft. The Saints, for whatever reasons, apparently saw that as a non-problem and so here they are...stuck with a QB who is only given two audibles because anything more would overwhelm him.

I\'ve also said there are few QBs in the league that can throw the long ball as well as AB. However that doesn\'t necessarily fit into a \"West Coast\" offensive scheme and that\'s what Hazlett and McCarthy said they wanted to run. So...it\'s all very simple. Is Brooks fitting into the offense the coaching staff originally wanted or has the scheme been changed to accomodate Brooks?

You know the answer to that and while I like a \"vertical game\" as much as the next guy, the Saints don\'t have the Rams\' personnel and I\'m not convinced AB would work in their offense anyway. If you believe he would, than you truly do believe Aaron Brooks is a top-notch quarterback. If you don\'t, than you simply think he\'s good enough...and that would be the main reason why you and me disagree because I don\'t.

So ask yourself the question: Do you think Aaron Brooks would be successful on a team with better personnel, for instance, the Rams or the Pats?

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No, I didn\'t mean to defend that Deuce played well. Like the Delhomme-Brooks comparision, which as you may know I disagreed with and failed to participate in, was unfair. Taylor\'s day and Deuce\'s day are irrelevant to each other\'s performance today, in almost every sense.

Deuce played like crap and was as much to fault as anyone.

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blake6900 --

Show me 3 positive things you have ever said about Brooks and I\'ll beleive we can actually have an intelligent converstion about him? Otherwise, I\'ll have to believe that no matter what I say it will do no good.

You are entitled to your opinion blake, but we\'ll just have to disagree on Brooks. To be honest, no matter what you say, I won\'t change my mind and I\'m sure the reverse is true.

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OK LummOx, I\'m sure I read too much into what you posted. I think are one of the most fair members here, when it comes to telling the truth, which you just did in this post...

I\'ll read your post more clearly next time.

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Out of the 19 points the Saints scored, how many were off of offensive drives? Answer 3
Take away the fluke play at the end of the game 10 points were off of interseptions by the defense that gave the offense good field position. So don\'t bash the defense.

If it hadn\'t been for special teams, The fluke play wouldn\'t have mattered. They would have lost by 4 pts instead of 1. Remember the blocked field goal? A heads up speacial teams play even got the ball in scoring range or they wouldn\'t have had that chance. So don\'t blame the speacial teams.

Now how does that potent offense look now? Boooooooooo!

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Funny part is the failure of the Brookians to notice some simple points .

The Jags have the # 2 run defense and the # 9 pass defense . So simply Duece cannot be relyed upon to move the ball as effectively . The offensive attack has to be through the air , that means those high priced players , Brooks and Horn are going to have to step it up to get into the play offs .This offensive strategy is simply using the pass to open up the run .

This game along with other games has been a defeat as a direct result of any sense of urgency on the part of the offense in the first half .

With the high powered potential air attack of Brooks , Horn , Pathon ,Stallworth and Williams going against the 9th ranked Jags pass defense , this power offense only puts 7 points on the board .

Going into the tunnel at half time :

Brooks is hitting on 53% of his passes against the 9th ranked pass defense .

McCallister is accounting for 44 % of the total offense against the 2nd ranked run defense that was keying on him .

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What about the like 12 or so games where Duece ran the ball for over 100 yards? Where was AB most of the time then? Granted he had his 2 great games this year (Houston and New York); however, he had just as many if not more bad ones. I will give AB this he has dramatically decreased the amount of bonehead throws this season. Still for the most part when we are getting production out of the running game, he can\'t keep our offense flowing.

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seraph33 -- How do you think Brooks is a PRO BOWL alternate this year?

33% of coaches, 33% of fans, and 33% of the media voted him in?

Other than the fumbling Brooks has had a Pro Bowl year.