IT AIN'T OVER, PLAYERS WON'T SIGN Yet!!!

Saint_LB · 07-24-2011, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'll tell you why. Because the players aren't owners. It's a different skill set. This assessment that owners aren't needed is...well...I don't see how one comes to that conclusion.

Players don't make enough money to own. Those owners made their money and THEN bought into the NFL. They are savvy business people.

How can you say owners aren't needed and then suggested the players start their own league and be both players AND owners if in fact owners aren't needed? Oh I'd love to see the players try it. That model would fail miserably...but then again, a lesson learned well is one learned the hard way. It would fail and those players would be broke. How's that for irony?

I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players.

saintfan · 07-24-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players.

Not successful ones. And for what it's worth Id like to ride the bench for a few years and make my 1.4 million too. Where do I sign?

ALLSAINTS66 · 07-24-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players.

Hallelujah. Well said. I'd high five you if I could. : )

saintfan · 07-24-2011, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66

Hallelujah. Well said. I'd high five you if I could. : )

When any of the players accumulates enough through their own business savvy to actually buy a team THEN you two can high five each other, or whatever else you wanna do together. Until then you're both pissing in the wind...

Saint_LB · 07-25-2011, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

When any of the players accumulates enough through their own business savvy to actually buy a team THEN you two can high five each other, or whatever else you wanna do together. Until then you're both pissing in the wind...

Well...I know somebody pissed in your cornflakes but it wasn't us.

Why would they have to buy a team...why not just start a new team. My halfway serious post involved new teams starting with new names, etc...not purchasing old teams where you would have to buy the name.

Anyway...under my proposal you would have to start another team because there would be nothing left to purchase if you bought an NFL team. Remember, we are trying to get away from the NFL.

saintfan · 07-25-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Well...I know somebody pissed in your cornflakes but it wasn't us.

Why would they have to buy a team...why not just start a new team. My halfway serious post involved new teams starting with new names, etc...not purchasing old teams where you would have to buy the name.

Anyway...under my proposal you would have to start another team because there would be nothing left to purchase if you bought an NFL team. Remember, we are trying to get away from the NFL.

I don't understand the logic of "we don't need the owners". Who's going to fund everything that needs to be funded? Somebody or some thing has to own. And any way you slice it, the players will necessarily have to be subservient to that entity. That's just the way the world works.

The players aren't going to bolt from the NFL. It's their cash cow. Owning is risky. Ask any one who attempted to own a team in any of the defunct former football leagues.

My assessment all along has been and will forevermore continue to be that the players have it made. This seems to make people think that I believe the owners are without fault. This isn't the case as we all know, but some have to polarize because they can't approach it from a realistic point of view.

Over and above all the benefits, 88k, which is the lowest of the low, 5200 a week, it MORE than fair. I find it challenging to come down on the side of the players, and the general argument seems to be "the owners are making SO much money that the players should be making much more". I disagree, up to a point.

As I have said in every thread that touches this topic. The players are the product, and I am all for them making as much as they can, but that's only up to a point where I, the "fanatic", don't miss any games.

The owners own. They employ people. They provide jobs. Are they uber rich? Yes. So what? It's seems the people that are willing to hold that against them - those who blame the owners for the price of a ticket - don't seem to be willing to hold the players to an equal level of responsibility, even when those players are lying to the media, just as they accuse the owners of doing. It's a two way street.

A player-owned league (still, there's that 'own' word again) would fail miserably. I can't prove that because there is no point of reference, but the fact that other leagues have failed coupled with the fact that so many players AREN'T business people and lose everything they made in the NFL should be evidence enough.

We don't need kings and queens. The citizens should govern themselves. LOL Welcome to America.

07-24-2011, 08:24 AM	#1
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by saintfan I'll tell you why. Because the players aren't owners. It's a different skill set. This assessment that owners aren't needed is...well...I don't see how one comes to that conclusion. Players don't make enough money to own. Those owners made their money and THEN bought into the NFL. They are savvy business people. How can you say owners aren't needed and then suggested the players start their own league and be both players AND owners if in fact owners aren't needed? Oh I'd love to see the players try it. That model would fail miserably...but then again, a lesson learned well is one learned the hard way. It would fail and those players would be broke. How's that for irony? I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894

07-24-2011, 09:24 AM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Saint_LB I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players. Not successful ones. And for what it's worth Id like to ride the bench for a few years and make my 1.4 million too. Where do I sign?

07-24-2011, 01:16 PM	#3
ALLSAINTS66 Bless You Boys! Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In mah hause. Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Saint_LB I'm saying that anybody with money can be owners but not just anybody can be players...only the players. Hallelujah. Well said. I'd high five you if I could. : )

07-24-2011, 09:46 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66 Hallelujah. Well said. I'd high five you if I could. : ) When any of the players accumulates enough through their own business savvy to actually buy a team THEN you two can high five each other, or whatever else you wanna do together. Until then you're both pissing in the wind...

07-25-2011, 06:16 AM	#5
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by saintfan When any of the players accumulates enough through their own business savvy to actually buy a team THEN you two can high five each other, or whatever else you wanna do together. Until then you're both pissing in the wind... Well...I know somebody pissed in your cornflakes but it wasn't us. Why would they have to buy a team...why not just start a new team. My halfway serious post involved new teams starting with new names, etc...not purchasing old teams where you would have to buy the name. Anyway...under my proposal you would have to start another team because there would be nothing left to purchase if you bought an NFL team. Remember, we are trying to get away from the NFL.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894

07-25-2011, 02:11 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Well...I know somebody pissed in your cornflakes but it wasn't us. Why would they have to buy a team...why not just start a new team. My halfway serious post involved new teams starting with new names, etc...not purchasing old teams where you would have to buy the name. Anyway...under my proposal you would have to start another team because there would be nothing left to purchase if you bought an NFL team. Remember, we are trying to get away from the NFL. I don't understand the logic of "we don't need the owners". Who's going to fund everything that needs to be funded? Somebody or some thing has to own. And any way you slice it, the players will necessarily have to be subservient to that entity. That's just the way the world works. The players aren't going to bolt from the NFL. It's their cash cow. Owning is risky. Ask any one who attempted to own a team in any of the defunct former football leagues. My assessment all along has been and will forevermore continue to be that the players have it made. This seems to make people think that I believe the owners are without fault. This isn't the case as we all know, but some have to polarize because they can't approach it from a realistic point of view. Over and above all the benefits, 88k, which is the lowest of the low, 5200 a week, it MORE than fair. I find it challenging to come down on the side of the players, and the general argument seems to be "the owners are making SO much money that the players should be making much more". I disagree, up to a point. As I have said in every thread that touches this topic. The players are the product, and I am all for them making as much as they can, but that's only up to a point where I, the "fanatic", don't miss any games. The owners own. They employ people. They provide jobs. Are they uber rich? Yes. So what? It's seems the people that are willing to hold that against them - those who blame the owners for the price of a ticket - don't seem to be willing to hold the players to an equal level of responsibility, even when those players are lying to the media, just as they accuse the owners of doing. It's a two way street. A player-owned league (still, there's that 'own' word again) would fail miserably. I can't prove that because there is no point of reference, but the fact that other leagues have failed coupled with the fact that so many players AREN'T business people and lose everything they made in the NFL should be evidence enough. We don't need kings and queens. The citizens should govern themselves. LOL Welcome to America.
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