IT AIN'T OVER, PLAYERS WON'T SIGN Yet!!!

alleycat_126 · 07-21-2011, 10:33 PM

This lockout is far from over, the little light at the end of the tunnel for us might be a train that runs our hopes over. Anybody notice D. Smith's statements after Roger Godell's owners party earlier. The player haven't re unified as a union and will not sign this current deal. They don't start getting paid until the start of the season. I hate to say it but this ain't done. Litigation from the 10 player lawsuit against the league still remains. And I'm pretty much guaranteein that the one player holdin that up is Vincent Jackson. The only way the players sign this current deal is if the pressure from the fans gets to be to much! Ha. They don't care!

the-commish · 07-21-2011, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

This lockout is far from over, the little light at the end of the tunnel for us might be a train that runs our hopes over. Anybody notice D. Smith's statements after Roger Godell's owners party earlier. The player haven't re unified as a union and will not sign this current deal. They don't start getting paid until the start of the season. I hate to say it but this ain't done. Litigation from the 10 player lawsuit against the league still remains. And I'm pretty much guaranteein that the one player holdin that up is Vincent Jackson. The only way the players sign this current deal is if the pressure from the fans gets to be to much! Ha. They don't care!

The players ARE NOT going to give up their right to de-certify as a bargaining unit voluntarily. So they want to retain that right (if they can get it declared LEGAL) for future negotiations, in case they need it.

There are other side things (like the owners setting a timetable for the players) that the players don't like, but I believe the settling of the lawsuit to the players' advantage, or conversely, not to their disadvantage, is one of the main things they are still concerned with.

Luda34 · 07-22-2011, 08:12 AM

DAMN DAMN DAMN

SmashMouth · 07-22-2011, 08:41 AM

more posturing ....

beau13 · 07-22-2011, 09:51 AM

Owners are strong-arming the players. There are some last minute added items that the players did not know about. It will get done, but it may take a bit longer.

SmashMouth · 07-22-2011, 10:04 AM

NFLPA does not vote; claims owners’ proposal may violate labor laws - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

It looks like since there is no union for the players as they decertified the NFLPA, they can't vote, nor should they be able to. (Do you have a vote into how your boss decides certain business decisions?). So the owners simply agreed to agree for their own proposal which is 48% of total revenue for the players. It looks as though the owners outmaneuvered DeMaurice Smith when the he and the players decertified as a legal move. How long does it take to recertify the NFLPA? Does it even matter now?

Saint_LB · 07-22-2011, 10:05 AM

It ain't over? Oh, no...somebody stop her!!

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OldMaid · 07-22-2011, 03:27 PM

Yes. No. Maybe.
Story still developing. I saw a tidbit of it on the news today.
UGH!!!
No preseason, but it looks like after Player's Union sees it, all be done and lets start 2011 NFL football.

73Saint · 07-22-2011, 04:40 PM

I'm so tired of this garbage. I really am getting to the point where I am going to stop watching NFLN, stop listening to Mike and Mike, Colin Cowheard, etc., etc., etc. until it's official.

I feel like I'm back in college, on an emotional roller-coaster with some chick that I can't figure out or something. It's ridiculous. All this speculation, BS reporting, NFLPA, owners, D Smith....I'm just tired of it all.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-22-2011, 06:43 PM

I haven't been posting in a while. Real busy at work. But I think it's time to weigh in.

The owners want and need their preseason games. It's a ton of money they pretty much get to keep for themselves, because players don't start getting paid until the season starts. It's not called game checks for nothing.

The pressure for the players from the money standpoint will mount at time gets closer to September. Players already believe that they can get ready for the season with only a couple of preseason games anyway. So there isn't as must pressure there.

But honestly I want to call out the fans and media. In all of this, they are truly the selfish parties. They really have no interest who gets damaged in this negotiation. They just want it over. Frankly, I hope the players take their time and get this thing right, fans and media be damned.

Let me see if I can analogize. I'm sure that many of you have bought a house. Imagine coming to the closing for a house without having seen the inspection report, the termite letter, the loan sheet, or any other documentation. The seller, who wants to get rid of the property because they don't want to pay the mortgage next month, and the real estate agent, who wants their commission, shove the documentation in your face at closing and demand that you sign. Are you at least not going to stop, take a minute, and read the material?

This current CBA proposal is a 10 year commitment here people. It's a 500 page binding legal document that cannot be undone or challenged once it is accepted. The very fact that there was no dissent by the owners at all should be enough to give the players pause. It needs to be vetted carefully. That's not a 5 minute process.

So sit back in your comfy chair, crack open a brew, and chill. It's clear there will be football. It's clear there will be a full season. It's clear that this will get done, be it tomorrow, or Monday, or the end of next week. A negotiation like this is adversarial by necessity. Each side is trying to get the best deal. And frankly, if both sides do end up signing without some folks on both sides being pissed off, then somebody got screwed.

I'm just happy that most of the Saints did their own OTAs at Camp Drew/John last month. The team will come ready to storm the league on September 8th.

Chill. It'll get done. There's too many dollars at stake for too many folks not to.

SFIAH

07-21-2011, 10:33 PM	#1
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	IT AIN'T OVER, PLAYERS WON'T SIGN Yet!!! This lockout is far from over, the little light at the end of the tunnel for us might be a train that runs our hopes over. Anybody notice D. Smith's statements after Roger Godell's owners party earlier. The player haven't re unified as a union and will not sign this current deal. They don't start getting paid until the start of the season. I hate to say it but this ain't done. Litigation from the 10 player lawsuit against the league still remains. And I'm pretty much guaranteein that the one player holdin that up is Vincent Jackson. The only way the players sign this current deal is if the pressure from the fans gets to be to much! Ha. They don't care!

07-21-2011, 10:43 PM	#2
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 This lockout is far from over, the little light at the end of the tunnel for us might be a train that runs our hopes over. Anybody notice D. Smith's statements after Roger Godell's owners party earlier. The player haven't re unified as a union and will not sign this current deal. They don't start getting paid until the start of the season. I hate to say it but this ain't done. Litigation from the 10 player lawsuit against the league still remains. And I'm pretty much guaranteein that the one player holdin that up is Vincent Jackson. The only way the players sign this current deal is if the pressure from the fans gets to be to much! Ha. They don't care! The players ARE NOT going to give up their right to de-certify as a bargaining unit voluntarily. So they want to retain that right (if they can get it declared LEGAL) for future negotiations, in case they need it. There are other side things (like the owners setting a timetable for the players) that the players don't like, but I believe the settling of the lawsuit to the players' advantage, or conversely, not to their disadvantage, is one of the main things they are still concerned with.

07-22-2011, 04:40 PM	#9
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	I'm so tired of this garbage. I really am getting to the point where I am going to stop watching NFLN, stop listening to Mike and Mike, Colin Cowheard, etc., etc., etc. until it's official. I feel like I'm back in college, on an emotional roller-coaster with some chick that I can't figure out or something. It's ridiculous. All this speculation, BS reporting, NFLPA, owners, D Smith....I'm just tired of it all. strato and st thomas like this.

07-22-2011, 06:43 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	I haven't been posting in a while. Real busy at work. But I think it's time to weigh in. The owners want and need their preseason games. It's a ton of money they pretty much get to keep for themselves, because players don't start getting paid until the season starts. It's not called game checks for nothing. The pressure for the players from the money standpoint will mount at time gets closer to September. Players already believe that they can get ready for the season with only a couple of preseason games anyway. So there isn't as must pressure there. But honestly I want to call out the fans and media. In all of this, they are truly the selfish parties. They really have no interest who gets damaged in this negotiation. They just want it over. Frankly, I hope the players take their time and get this thing right, fans and media be damned. Let me see if I can analogize. I'm sure that many of you have bought a house. Imagine coming to the closing for a house without having seen the inspection report, the termite letter, the loan sheet, or any other documentation. The seller, who wants to get rid of the property because they don't want to pay the mortgage next month, and the real estate agent, who wants their commission, shove the documentation in your face at closing and demand that you sign. Are you at least not going to stop, take a minute, and read the material? This current CBA proposal is a 10 year commitment here people. It's a 500 page binding legal document that cannot be undone or challenged once it is accepted. The very fact that there was no dissent by the owners at all should be enough to give the players pause. It needs to be vetted carefully. That's not a 5 minute process. So sit back in your comfy chair, crack open a brew, and chill. It's clear there will be football. It's clear there will be a full season. It's clear that this will get done, be it tomorrow, or Monday, or the end of next week. A negotiation like this is adversarial by necessity. Each side is trying to get the best deal. And frankly, if both sides do end up signing without some folks on both sides being pissed off, then somebody got screwed. I'm just happy that most of the Saints did their own OTAs at Camp Drew/John last month. The team will come ready to storm the league on September 8th. Chill. It'll get done. There's too many dollars at stake for too many folks not to. SFIAH strato likes this.
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07-22-2011, 08:12 AM	#3
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	DAMN DAMN DAMN

07-22-2011, 08:41 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	more posturing ....

07-22-2011, 09:51 AM	#5
beau13 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 19	Owners are strong-arming the players. There are some last minute added items that the players did not know about. It will get done, but it may take a bit longer.

07-22-2011, 10:04 AM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	NFLPA does not vote; claims owners’ proposal may violate labor laws - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports It looks like since there is no union for the players as they decertified the NFLPA, they can't vote, nor should they be able to. (Do you have a vote into how your boss decides certain business decisions?). So the owners simply agreed to agree for their own proposal which is 48% of total revenue for the players. It looks as though the owners outmaneuvered DeMaurice Smith when the he and the players decertified as a legal move. How long does it take to recertify the NFLPA? Does it even matter now?

07-22-2011, 03:27 PM	#8
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Yes. No. Maybe. Story still developing. I saw a tidbit of it on the news today. UGH!!! No preseason, but it looks like after Player's Union sees it, all be done and lets start 2011 NFL football.