Labor agreement remains in limbo

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-22-2011, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

NFL lockout -- NFLPA will work through weekend, sources say - ESPN

I'f I'm an owner I'm done too. I'm about ready to pull a Reagan when he told the air traffic controllers to get back to work or lose their jobs. If I'm an owner, at this point, it's, "Report to training camp with THIS deal or go bag groceries."

Apples and gorillas. The Air Traffic Controllers were holding an illegal strike. The players did not walk out of the old CBA. The owners prematurely terminated it, getting out just very first moment that they could.

Now look, I can understand if the players aren't happy seeing some items in the deal the owners ratified they hadn't seen previously, but what ARE those things?

Does it matter? Would you sign a 10 year contract that you haven't read, no matter what's in it?

From my chair, it looks like the players, who IMO already had a damn sweet deal, are getting an even sweeter deal, and they STILL aren't happy?

In my view, the very fact that the owners signed on this deal 31-0 means that it cannot be sweet to the players. It's not a compromise unless both sides have some pissed off constituents.

C'mon guys. Y'all don't OWN the teams, okay? Sign the effing deal and get your asses back to work already...seriously...

I totally disagree. While the players do not own the teams, NFL teams do not exist without these players. These players are close to singularly unique. They collectively do things that no other human beings on the planet can do. This isn't grocery bagging or making boxes. These owners cannot just fire this set of players and get some other set of folks to come in and do the job. Trust me, if they could put out the same product with cheaper labor, they certainly would. It would certainly be easier to come up with 32 different owners, than to come up with 1700 more players that can play this game at this level. You remember what happened in 1987 when the NFL tried to use replacement players?

So this is a partnership. Owners provide resources. Players provide talent. They share the $9 billion/yr in revenues. Both have the right, if not the obligation, to try to get best deal they can get. This CBA is going to be 10 years. I'd rather wait a couple of weeks and have two side come up with the best deal possible, that creates reasonable happiness and stability on both sides for the next 10 years, then to complain about one side or the other signing right now so we can see a couple of completely meaningless preseason games with players who will in fact be bagging groceries and making boxes in a month or two.

Remember that it was the owners unhappiness with the last deal, which they got strongarmed into by mounting public pressure, that caused this lockout to begin with. Keep complaining, and you'll see players striking after the next CBA runs its course.

They both need each other. They both need to come out of this with some things they want. They both need to give up some things too. It takes time to get done.

I can almost guarantee you that no matter what happens, our Saints will be trotting on the field September 8th to stomp on the Packers. So what does it really matter what happens until then?

SFIAH

07-22-2011, 06:13 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Originally Posted by saintfan NFL lockout -- NFLPA will work through weekend, sources say - ESPN I'f I'm an owner I'm done too. I'm about ready to pull a Reagan when he told the air traffic controllers to get back to work or lose their jobs. If I'm an owner, at this point, it's, "Report to training camp with THIS deal or go bag groceries." Apples and gorillas. The Air Traffic Controllers were holding an illegal strike. The players did not walk out of the old CBA. The owners prematurely terminated it, getting out just very first moment that they could. Now look, I can understand if the players aren't happy seeing some items in the deal the owners ratified they hadn't seen previously, but what ARE those things? Does it matter? Would you sign a 10 year contract that you haven't read, no matter what's in it? From my chair, it looks like the players, who IMO already had a damn sweet deal, are getting an even sweeter deal, and they STILL aren't happy? In my view, the very fact that the owners signed on this deal 31-0 means that it cannot be sweet to the players. It's not a compromise unless both sides have some pissed off constituents. C'mon guys. Y'all don't OWN the teams, okay? Sign the effing deal and get your asses back to work already...seriously... I totally disagree. While the players do not own the teams, NFL teams do not exist without these players. These players are close to singularly unique. They collectively do things that no other human beings on the planet can do. This isn't grocery bagging or making boxes. These owners cannot just fire this set of players and get some other set of folks to come in and do the job. Trust me, if they could put out the same product with cheaper labor, they certainly would. It would certainly be easier to come up with 32 different owners, than to come up with 1700 more players that can play this game at this level. You remember what happened in 1987 when the NFL tried to use replacement players? So this is a partnership. Owners provide resources. Players provide talent. They share the $9 billion/yr in revenues. Both have the right, if not the obligation, to try to get best deal they can get. This CBA is going to be 10 years. I'd rather wait a couple of weeks and have two side come up with the best deal possible, that creates reasonable happiness and stability on both sides for the next 10 years, then to complain about one side or the other signing right now so we can see a couple of completely meaningless preseason games with players who will in fact be bagging groceries and making boxes in a month or two. Remember that it was the owners unhappiness with the last deal, which they got strongarmed into by mounting public pressure, that caused this lockout to begin with. Keep complaining, and you'll see players striking after the next CBA runs its course. They both need each other. They both need to come out of this with some things they want. They both need to give up some things too. It takes time to get done. I can almost guarantee you that no matter what happens, our Saints will be trotting on the field September 8th to stomp on the Packers. So what does it really matter what happens until then? SFIAH
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