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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- In less than two hours Thursday, euphoria over the 38-month labor dispute between NFL players and owners being over began turning sour. At 7:02 p.m. ET at an airport hotel here, after the league's owners voted ...
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07-22-2011, 10:13 AM | #1 |
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COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- In less than two hours Thursday, euphoria over the 38-month labor dispute between NFL players and owners being over began turning sour.
At 7:02 p.m. ET at an airport hotel here, after the league's owners voted 31-0 with one abstention (surprise -- the Raiders balked), the full roster of owners gave a standing ovation to Commissioner Roger Goodell and the negotiating team that got the deal done. But then USA Today reported the players were rejecting the deal, the union denied it, and SI's Jim Trotter reported union boss DeMaurice Smith emailed his executive board: "There is no agreement between the NFL and the players at this time." That's the kind of day it was, a crazy one with more twists and turns than a Stieg Larsson novel. And it's not over yet. That was apparent with the sending of an email from the union's veteran general counsel, Richard Berthelsen, to the board of player representatives late Thursday night. The tone in the email, obtained by SI.com and other media outlets, was harsh enough to suggest an agreement to end the labor war could be far away. He said the deal "would in my view violate federal labor laws ... [prohibiting] employers from coercing their employees into forming a union. Those laws prohibit employers from coercing their employees into forming a union, and could result in any Agreement reached through the procedure being declared null and void." Berthesen went on to write the proposal gives the three days (next Wednesday through Friday) "to bargain any changes to the old CBA, with the new CBA becoming final on Saturday, July 30. "If the NFL does not agree to the players' proposed changes," wrote Berthelsen, "the old CBA terms on benefits, discipline, safety, etc. will remain unchanged for another 10 years." What struck one owners' source Thursday night as so incredible was the impression that was left in the owners' room three hours earlier -- that this was a deal the union would agree to, despite the fact that there would be hard feelings over issues lost on both sides. Goodell had spent the four months since players felt steamrolled during mediation in Washington to try to undo the bitterness players felt during those talks. And those efforts, seemingly, continued Thursday. There were two long conversations between Smith and Goodell, an attempt to build a bridge that would result in a dual vote late in the day -- first by the owners here, next by the board of player representatives from the union offices in Washington -- resulting in a deal. The league, attempting to end a 132-day lockout of players and to stave off the first missed regular-season games in the league since 1987, then slam-dunked the ratification of a 10-year collective bargaining agreement with players. Read more: Upon further review, NFL labor agreement remains in limbo - Peter King - SI.com |
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07-22-2011, 12:18 PM | #2 |
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The players reaction has been pretty obvious to me. Good job Goodell and owners... go tick their union off more, that will bring them closer... The owners just don't want to take the blame for the lockout, they want the blame to shift to the players. Both sides are at fault and this just added gasoline to a fire that was about to burn itself out. |
07-22-2011, 12:53 PM | #3 |
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I'm still not jumping yet Strato!
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07-22-2011, 12:55 PM | #4 |
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07-22-2011, 02:28 PM | #5 |
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NFL football players DO NOT like training camp and DO NOT want to play 4 pre-season games. End of story.
The NFL pays them well because they literally own them. NFL players get like, what... 2 months off a year? If it was up to them they would have a college type program with required time off, maybe 2 (at most) preseason games and get paid MORE in doing so. So yeah, the players are gonna make the owners sweat, and if left to them, they would chop into the preseason. |
07-22-2011, 06:50 PM | #6 |
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I'f I'm an owner I'm done too. I'm about ready to pull a Reagan when he told the air traffic controllers to get back to work or lose their jobs. If I'm an owner, at this point, it's, "Report to training camp with THIS deal or go bag groceries." Now look, I can understand if the players aren't happy seeing some items in the deal the owners ratified they hadn't seen previously, but what ARE those things? From my chair, it looks like the players, who IMO already had a damn sweet deal, are getting an even sweeter deal, and they STILL aren't happy? C'mon guys. Y'all don't OWN the teams, okay? Sign the effing deal and get your asses back to work already...seriously... |
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07-22-2011, 07:13 PM | #7 |
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Originally Posted by saintfan
Apples and gorillas. The Air Traffic Controllers were holding an illegal strike. The players did not walk out of the old CBA. The owners prematurely terminated it, getting out just very first moment that they could.
So this is a partnership. Owners provide resources. Players provide talent. They share the $9 billion/yr in revenues. Both have the right, if not the obligation, to try to get best deal they can get. This CBA is going to be 10 years. I'd rather wait a couple of weeks and have two side come up with the best deal possible, that creates reasonable happiness and stability on both sides for the next 10 years, then to complain about one side or the other signing right now so we can see a couple of completely meaningless preseason games with players who will in fact be bagging groceries and making boxes in a month or two. Remember that it was the owners unhappiness with the last deal, which they got strongarmed into by mounting public pressure, that caused this lockout to begin with. Keep complaining, and you'll see players striking after the next CBA runs its course. They both need each other. They both need to come out of this with some things they want. They both need to give up some things too. It takes time to get done. I can almost guarantee you that no matter what happens, our Saints will be trotting on the field September 8th to stomp on the Packers. So what does it really matter what happens until then? SFIAH |
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07-22-2011, 08:05 PM | #8 |
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
It matters because we, the fans are being manipulated at every turn, by both sides to be certain. I side with the owners because, well, they're the owners. They can broadcast 'partnership' all they want, but that's not what it is. If it were then contracts wouldn't be prematurely terminated and players wouldn't hold out in violation of contracts for MORE money. Partnership my ass. It's a business. In business there are workers and there are owners. Anybody who believes the NFL to be any different, IMO, is smokin what they're rollin'.
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