DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

I agree with everything you\'ve said, except that I believe we are a very talented team that does not execute plays. Regardless what the reason is, we have players very capable of being a 10-6 or better team. A team direction change is due.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

gatorman

You are right in so many ways. We have been poor on so many things THROUGHOUT the season. All the talk of playoffs. It seems everytime it (silently mention Playoffs) we choked up.

No - don\'t blame:
AB, Deuce, The O-line, The D-line, injuries, special teams, referee decisions, Carney......

WE - as a franchise- never took the opportunity to get even over 500. Let\'s face it - it seemed imminently possible. But - hey - we - as a franchise - did not have the skills, brains, discipline, commitment to do it.

Yeh - let\'s go and stab the player for the latest high profile error.

Grow up everyone. Get real. I do not know how we even stayed in the playoff race this long.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

That really is the defining characteristic of this team this year. A sad reflection on our coaches and the main reason I think we need a change at the top.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

We have a glaring coaching problem. I\'m sick.

But if it\'s true that Carney has been after Haz to deal with Berger\'s holds.....

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

Gatorman, all of your assertions were right on the money. And they all fall on the shoulders of the head coach and his staff.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP REALLY.
Who\'s fault? I don\'t know.
Offense Coaching? They kicked asss last year, did they forget how to coach?
Defensive Coaching? We improved more than most thought, especially considering the abnormal amout of injuries.
Special Teams Coaching? Awesome last year, did they forget how to coach?
Players? We have some really good players at most positions. At least as good as many teams ahead of us in the standings.
We flat didn\'t get it done. Considering everything logically, I can\'t point to one single part to blame completely. Whick makes me re-think my position on the main man in charge.
Perhaps I was wrong about Haz. The players just don\'t seem to perform for him like they should.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

This is a good point. The thing I love most about this is that now, all of the sudden, John Carney is the worst kicker in the history of the NFL. The man has missed 5 extra point attempts in his 14 year career. Sure, he choked in this game, but he shouldn\'t have to take all the blame. The whole team played terrible. He shouldn\'t have been put in that situation.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

Ok, I haven\'t been called retarded for a few posts, so here some stuff.

I agree with almost nothing here, except these two things:
1. New coach, now.
2. We need a much, much stronger GM.

How bad is this team? Well, I think that depends on how you evaluate the badness of a team. If it is simply by wins versus losses, then we are bad, but not that bad (we can still make .500). Of course, no one thinks you should do that - since we all think there are some very good teams whose record does not reflect their ability. If we evaluate based on what each game turned on and discover some trends (that have to be a bit more than this: all the same guys played today), then we have an argument. I have not, so far, been convinced by anyone\'s argument that we are just plain bad simply because we lost some games.

Also, as far as the \"any given sunday\" argument goes, I agree that this should be evaluated depending on the game. If both sides play well, then it\'s an \"any given Sunday\", otherwise, there are some reasons we lost. These reason can be evaluated, and they can be used to determine what is wrong with a team (teams aren\'t just plain bad, since teams are nothing more than a combination of people - and I know that there is not team in the NFL without at least one good player).

Ok, I think I got most of that out. Sorry. I think we\'re all just a little pissed.

PS - Gator, please don\'t take this as a direct reply to your post, since it is more like something that just came to me while reading this thread, and I just had to get it out. :casstet:

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

All I have to say about this season is that there is a reason we haven\'t been consistent. There is a reason we lost to teams we shouldn\'t have lost to last season. Ultimately players play the game but I think Haslett has lost his ability to motivate his players. This season our team looked like they weren\'t sure if they actually wanted to be there playing football. I could go into many more things but I\'m just going to save my breath. Bottom line we need some major changes.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

I don\'t agree with too much in that post myself.

Exactly what does \"bad\" mean? Is that Arizona Cardinals bad or San Francisco bad? Neither team is going to the playoffs!! If bad means we arent\' going to the playoffs then I agree. If you are suggesting that we are the worst of the bad teams, then I disagree.

I think anyone that follows the Saints knows this is an immensly talented team that has a couple of problem areas. I, for one, think the Saints are even more talented than some teams that are actually going to the playoffs.
That sounds all macho and everything, but we are not the only team the refs have cost games. Just ask the Seahawks about that. Are we not suppose to fault the refs for costing us games and just say the players should have scored more points?

If completing 60% of your passes and no interceptions, with no fumbles and throwing a key block is inconsistant then I\'ll take it.


This team has a good strong foundation from which to build, but to hear you tell it, we are bunch of losers that is going to have to completely rebuild.


[Edited on 22/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Gatorman...
Deserve????
Who deserves, anything in this world. Bottom line 20-19... We did get owned all game long and still should have gone into OT. That is reality. This team scrapped all day long and still (even though it was part luck) weren\'t beaten by anyone but themselves. And you probably don\'t know anythng about football, but JAX is pretty good. And last I checked it was a road game. I am upset too, but reality tells me this team didn\'t give up. That\'s worth something.
At least too me

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

OK, Gator. I got it. You think this team sucks. I understood that you thought that after the 3rd game of the season. What point are you trying to prove? We all know this team underachieved this year. Do you think you are posting some breaking news here?

This team is 7-8. No more. No less. But carry on, by all means!!

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

What? I never jumped on you. What are you talking about? That was you who told me that I was a loser. I never said ANYTHING to you.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

I wonder how many times do you get away with calling someone a name without ? That heart felt apology you made was all a I guess. At least that won\'t work for you again.



[Edited on 22/12/2003 by BillyC]

[Edited on 22/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

Thank you. I asked you to stop running behind my posts a long time ago.


[Edited on 22/12/2003 by BillyC]

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I see.

The point about \"what does it mean for a team to be bad\" was mine. So I apologize; I see how that could tick someone off (especially after today\'s game). However, it seems to me to be a legitimate question. The team doesn\'t seem \"Cardinals bad\" to me. In fact, some days it seems quite good (which is another frustration altogether). I suppose I responded a bit oddly to what was probably a legitimate rant, but this is our favorite team - I guess I just don\'t think they\'re that bad. Could be better? Of course. But, I suppose I just don\'t see the \"plain badness\" of our boys - maybe that makes me unrealistic, but so what? It seems to me that saying a 7-8 team is just bad, and this may be merely a semantic point, isn\'t quite right. And, I guess, since I was pissed earlier, I took someone calling our favorite team bad a bit the wrong way.

DIDN'T DESERVE TO WIN. DON'T DESERVE THE PLAYOFFS
 

Cool.

The Colts game stank in the worst way. I\'m not sure I have much to say about that one, but \"yeah, they stunk.\"

I think we\'re actually not too far apart on our view of how the team is doing. The only difference might be a slight postivism vs. a slight negativism and perhaps a bit of semantics, but that is not a substantial disagreement. Also, I think we all deal with our frustration a bit differently.

Cheers.