Losing

saintz08 · 12-23-2003, 02:39 AM

Deuce can\'t be criticised for the samething, because Deuce only lost 2 fumbles and not 3 like Brooks.

Duece has 6 fumbles this season

Brooks has 14 fumbles this season

Duece runs into the heart of the opposing defense .

Brooks just has it come out of his hand when he passes .

BillyC · 12-23-2003, 04:18 AM

I was that transparent huh? I just can\'t get anything over on you guys. I\'ll work on that.

Deuce is one of my favorite players and is a great running back. I don\'t put the blame on Deuce for losing the game. Very rarely will you ever hear me blame ONE player for losing a game. I think blaming one player for a loss is very short-sighted. I wouldn\'t even try to pin the loss on John Carney. Carney never had the chance to win the game for us. Now, he had the chance to TIE the game for us, but who\'s to say we would have won in overtime?

Football really is a team game. So much individual success is dependent on the other 10 players on the field. Sometimes a special palyer comes along like a Barry Sanders or a Mick Vick that is able to make plays on their on, but for the most part ,players don\'t make plays on their own.

Anyway, if Brooks would have fumbled the ball aganst the Jags, we would have had an influx of folks on this board screaming for the guys head. They would have been here showing how Brooks fumble led to 7-ponts for the Jags and how the other fumble took at least 3-points off the board for us. Then the would add up 7 plus 3 and tell me that Brooks cost us 10-points. Then they would say that we only lost by 7 points and if not for the 10-points that Brooks cost us that we would have won the game. Then -- they would have told me that Brooks couldn\'t win a game when we needed him the most. Get the message? It\'s double standards if you ask me.

Speaking of double standards. It\'s been said that Brooks can\'t come though against good defenses. Well, in every game this year that Deuce has gone up against a top defense he has been shut down. Yet, it\'s ok for Deuce becuase it\'s the offensive line\'s fault. But, let Brooks have a below average day and it\'s ALL Brooks fault. Forget the fact that the offensive line didn\'t pass block worth a crap all day of the fact the receivers dropped the ball all day.

In this very confusing season, there is really only one conclusion that I have come to, and that is we have all these great individual players that don\'t play as a TEAM. I don\'t see anyway to fix this problem by bringing in other players. The only way I see to correct the problem is to bring in a person to get the players to play as a team. I think there is a name for such a person. It\'s on the tip end of my tounge, but I just can\'t think of it. Oh, yeah..............they call that guy a head coach. Let\'s get on of those.

jm · 12-23-2003, 09:13 AM

This whole thread was Brooks free until this Guy Billy C found a way to bring up the name of Brooks. What gives Bill, do you have pics of him on your night stand and do you wear his jersey to work or do you sleep in it? Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. Do you dream of him too? The saints lost as a team and are out of the playoffs as a team. And no I wouldn\'t blame the lost on Deuce, for the most part he has carried his weight the whole season when others didn\'t. As far as Brooks goes, he is an average Quarterback, yes I know you can use all of his outstanding stats but the one glaring stat that he has shown over a 3 year period is 7-9, 9-7, and a possible 8-8 thats and average of 8-8 with him as team leader. 500 is average. Happy Holidays!!!!

BillyC · 12-23-2003, 09:27 AM

jm --

I believe you are mistaken. It was not me that brought up Brooks. I was responding to someone else that brought Brooks up.

BlackandBlue · 12-23-2003, 09:44 AM

I keep looking for the person that brought up Brooks before you mentioned him, Billy, but I can\'t find the post. Maybe I\'m lazy...

saintz08 · 12-23-2003, 10:00 AM

It was not me that brought up Brooks. I was responding to someone else that brought Brooks up.

Your agenda is exposed Billy .

BillyC · 12-23-2003, 10:09 AM

I keep looking for the person that brought up Brooks before you mentioned him, Billy, but I can\'t find the post. Maybe I\'m lazy...

Looks like I am mistaken. I hate when I\'m wrong. I have been exposed !! Regardless, I can\'t help if I\'m on a board of Brook\'s haters. Rest assured they would bring up ANYTHING against Brooks when he makes mistakes. Looks like I\'ll be the only one to bring up the good stuff. Oh well.............So be it!!

Now back to the \"Brooks is God\" website.....................

BlackandBlue · 12-23-2003, 10:12 AM

It\'s unfortunate, he had the best season of his career, only to have that shadowed by all the dumb fumbles he made.

saintz08 · 12-23-2003, 10:18 AM

Some do not hate him , some just think he looks a lot like

3,855 Jim Everett, 1994 (540 att.- 346 comp.)
3,832 Aaron Brooks, 2001 (558 att.-312 comp.)

Or should we say Chris ..... :P

BillyC · 12-23-2003, 10:28 AM

It\'s unfortunate, he had the best season of his career, only to have that shadowed by all the dumb fumbles he made.

It\'s nice to have folks that are unbiased. Obviously, I\'m pro Brooks and then we have all the anti-Brooks crowd. I enjoy reading everyone\'s opinions, but there are some like B&B, LummOx, Danno, saint5221, (and I\'m sure there a couple more) that call it like they see it. I don\'t always agree with those guys on everything, but they tell it like it is, without any agenda. Oh, yeah, WhoDat does a nice job, but he doesn\'t like to be wrong(like me) and get\'s off the beaten path sometimes....

12-23-2003, 02:39 AM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Losing Deuce can\'t be criticised for the samething, because Deuce only lost 2 fumbles and not 3 like Brooks. Duece has 6 fumbles this season Brooks has 14 fumbles this season Duece runs into the heart of the opposing defense . Brooks just has it come out of his hand when he passes .
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12-23-2003, 04:18 AM	#12
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Losing I was that transparent huh? I just can\'t get anything over on you guys. I\'ll work on that. Deuce is one of my favorite players and is a great running back. I don\'t put the blame on Deuce for losing the game. Very rarely will you ever hear me blame ONE player for losing a game. I think blaming one player for a loss is very short-sighted. I wouldn\'t even try to pin the loss on John Carney. Carney never had the chance to win the game for us. Now, he had the chance to TIE the game for us, but who\'s to say we would have won in overtime? Football really is a team game. So much individual success is dependent on the other 10 players on the field. Sometimes a special palyer comes along like a Barry Sanders or a Mick Vick that is able to make plays on their on, but for the most part ,players don\'t make plays on their own. Anyway, if Brooks would have fumbled the ball aganst the Jags, we would have had an influx of folks on this board screaming for the guys head. They would have been here showing how Brooks fumble led to 7-ponts for the Jags and how the other fumble took at least 3-points off the board for us. Then the would add up 7 plus 3 and tell me that Brooks cost us 10-points. Then they would say that we only lost by 7 points and if not for the 10-points that Brooks cost us that we would have won the game. Then -- they would have told me that Brooks couldn\'t win a game when we needed him the most. Get the message? It\'s double standards if you ask me. Speaking of double standards. It\'s been said that Brooks can\'t come though against good defenses. Well, in every game this year that Deuce has gone up against a top defense he has been shut down. Yet, it\'s ok for Deuce becuase it\'s the offensive line\'s fault. But, let Brooks have a below average day and it\'s ALL Brooks fault. Forget the fact that the offensive line didn\'t pass block worth a crap all day of the fact the receivers dropped the ball all day. In this very confusing season, there is really only one conclusion that I have come to, and that is we have all these great individual players that don\'t play as a TEAM. I don\'t see anyway to fix this problem by bringing in other players. The only way I see to correct the problem is to bring in a person to get the players to play as a team. I think there is a name for such a person. It\'s on the tip end of my tounge, but I just can\'t think of it. Oh, yeah..............they call that guy a head coach. Let\'s get on of those.
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12-23-2003, 09:13 AM	#13
jm 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 133	Losing This whole thread was Brooks free until this Guy Billy C found a way to bring up the name of Brooks. What gives Bill, do you have pics of him on your night stand and do you wear his jersey to work or do you sleep in it? Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks. Do you dream of him too? The saints lost as a team and are out of the playoffs as a team. And no I wouldn\'t blame the lost on Deuce, for the most part he has carried his weight the whole season when others didn\'t. As far as Brooks goes, he is an average Quarterback, yes I know you can use all of his outstanding stats but the one glaring stat that he has shown over a 3 year period is 7-9, 9-7, and a possible 8-8 thats and average of 8-8 with him as team leader. 500 is average. Happy Holidays!!!!
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12-23-2003, 09:27 AM	#14
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Losing jm -- I believe you are mistaken. It was not me that brought up Brooks. I was responding to someone else that brought Brooks up.
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12-23-2003, 09:44 AM	#15
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Losing I keep looking for the person that brought up Brooks before you mentioned him, Billy, but I can\'t find the post. Maybe I\'m lazy...

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12-23-2003, 10:00 AM	#16
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Losing It was not me that brought up Brooks. I was responding to someone else that brought Brooks up. Your agenda is exposed Billy .
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12-23-2003, 10:09 AM	#17
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Losing I keep looking for the person that brought up Brooks before you mentioned him, Billy, but I can\'t find the post. Maybe I\'m lazy... Looks like I am mistaken. I hate when I\'m wrong. I have been exposed !! Regardless, I can\'t help if I\'m on a board of Brook\'s haters. Rest assured they would bring up ANYTHING against Brooks when he makes mistakes. Looks like I\'ll be the only one to bring up the good stuff. Oh well.............So be it!! Now back to the \"Brooks is God\" website.....................
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12-23-2003, 10:12 AM	#18
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Losing It\'s unfortunate, he had the best season of his career, only to have that shadowed by all the dumb fumbles he made.

12-23-2003, 10:18 AM	#19
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Losing Some do not hate him , some just think he looks a lot like 3,855 Jim Everett, 1994 (540 att.- 346 comp.) 3,832 Aaron Brooks, 2001 (558 att.-312 comp.) Or should we say Chris ..... :P
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12-23-2003, 10:28 AM	#20
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Losing It\'s unfortunate, he had the best season of his career, only to have that shadowed by all the dumb fumbles he made. It\'s nice to have folks that are unbiased. Obviously, I\'m pro Brooks and then we have all the anti-Brooks crowd. I enjoy reading everyone\'s opinions, but there are some like B&B, LummOx, Danno, saint5221, (and I\'m sure there a couple more) that call it like they see it. I don\'t always agree with those guys on everything, but they tell it like it is, without any agenda. Oh, yeah, WhoDat does a nice job, but he doesn\'t like to be wrong(like me) and get\'s off the beaten path sometimes....
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