Saints resign Scott Shanle

SAINT_MICHAEL · 07-28-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Or maybe it means the coaches (who have recently won a Super Bowl and fielded a top -10 defense, by the way) know just a tiny bit more about Shanle than you or anybody else on this forum.

The hate this guy gets is mind-boggling. I don't love him by any stretch but I almost hope he keeps his starting job just so I can watch half the people on this board lose their minds.

And I hope the Saints improve as a team every year and win the SB. Part of improving as a team is getting better through the draft and free agency. It's not hate to want your favorite team to improve itself by getting a more talented player at any position.

And yes, I'm sure the coaches know a bit more about Shanle than I do. But despite your condescending statement, believe it or not, they get it wrong sometimes...like trading up to draft Antonio Pittman in 2009.

That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total.

So go ahead and let your mind be boggled by the "hate" you see for Shanle here. I would rather have seen the team go a different direction than to rely on a returning 9 year vet to make an impact.

Jack Vegas · 07-28-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

And I hope the Saints improve as a team every year and win the SB. Part of improving as a team is getting better through the draft and free agency. It's not hate to want your favorite team to improve itself by getting a more talented player at any position.

And yes, I'm sure the coaches know a bit more about Shanle than I do. But despite your condescending statement, believe it or not, they get it wrong sometimes...like trading up to draft Antonio Pittman in 2009.

That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total.

So go ahead and let your mind be boggled by the "hate" you see for Shanle here. I would rather have seen the team go a different direction than to rely on a returning 9 year vet to make an impact.

Speaking of condescension....

BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th.

But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his.

biloxi-indian · 07-28-2011, 07:46 PM

@AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

Saints reach agreement with LB Scott Shanle on a two-year, $4 million deal.

IMHO, $2mm too much.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2011, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total.

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th.

But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his.

Actually they were 16th in rushing yards allowed per game, just like SAINT_MICHAEL said

Jack Vegas · 07-28-2011, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Actually they were 16th in rushing yards allowed per game, just like SAINT_MICHAEL said

Actually, that's not what he said.....Even if he had said that (which he didnt) being 16th in rushing allowed is not exactly terrible and certainly not a condemnation of one individual player on an 11-man unit. It's pure stupidity to scapegoat Shanle for any shortcomings the Saints defense may have.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 07-28-2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Speaking of condescension....

BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th.

But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his.

No, in the rushing stats I was posting about they were not fourth:

From NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League for the 2010 season the saints gave up 112.3 YPG. That is 16th, not 4th. Fourth was San Diego at 93.8 YPG

Jack Vegas · 07-28-2011, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

No, in the rushing stats I was posting about they were not fourth:

From NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League for the 2010 season the saints gave up 112.3 YPG. That is 16th, not 4th. Fourth was San Diego at 93.8 YPG

You didn't say anything about rushing stats.

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game.

The word "rushing" is not in this sentence, and regardless, the fact that the defense was 4th overall is far more important than the fact that it was 16th in rushing.

Throwing Shanle out because the defense was not great against the run is akin to cutting PT and Ivory because our offensive run game sucked last year.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2011, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total.

Should have read further

yards per carry = rushing

Jack Vegas · 07-28-2011, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Should have read further

yards per carry = rushing

Those two things could exist independently of each other. If you're going to go around using these kind of facts to bash people, at least word them correctly.

Regardless, I will stick to my supposition. Blaming Shanle for the team being 16th in rushing defense is retarded. I don't see anybody throwing Vilma or Clark/Dunbar under the bus.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2011, 08:10 PM

I'm not "bashing" anyone, I just understood what he was saying and apparently you didn't. No big deal; Shanle is resigned regardless who likes it or not, and more than likely has the starting spot until somebody can take it from him...

07-28-2011, 07:22 PM	#1
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Or maybe it means the coaches (who have recently won a Super Bowl and fielded a top -10 defense, by the way) know just a tiny bit more about Shanle than you or anybody else on this forum. The hate this guy gets is mind-boggling. I don't love him by any stretch but I almost hope he keeps his starting job just so I can watch half the people on this board lose their minds. And I hope the Saints improve as a team every year and win the SB. Part of improving as a team is getting better through the draft and free agency. It's not hate to want your favorite team to improve itself by getting a more talented player at any position. And yes, I'm sure the coaches know a bit more about Shanle than I do. But despite your condescending statement, believe it or not, they get it wrong sometimes...like trading up to draft Antonio Pittman in 2009. That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total. So go ahead and let your mind be boggled by the "hate" you see for Shanle here. I would rather have seen the team go a different direction than to rely on a returning 9 year vet to make an impact. TheEnigma likes this.
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07-28-2011, 07:43 PM	#2
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL And I hope the Saints improve as a team every year and win the SB. Part of improving as a team is getting better through the draft and free agency. It's not hate to want your favorite team to improve itself by getting a more talented player at any position. And yes, I'm sure the coaches know a bit more about Shanle than I do. But despite your condescending statement, believe it or not, they get it wrong sometimes...like trading up to draft Antonio Pittman in 2009. That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total. So go ahead and let your mind be boggled by the "hate" you see for Shanle here. I would rather have seen the team go a different direction than to rely on a returning 9 year vet to make an impact. Speaking of condescension.... BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th. But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his.
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07-28-2011, 07:53 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total. Originally Posted by Jack Vegas BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th. But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his. Actually they were 16th in rushing yards allowed per game, just like SAINT_MICHAEL said

07-28-2011, 07:54 PM	#5
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Actually they were 16th in rushing yards allowed per game, just like SAINT_MICHAEL said Actually, that's not what he said.....Even if he had said that (which he didnt) being 16th in rushing allowed is not exactly terrible and certainly not a condemnation of one individual player on an 11-man unit. It's pure stupidity to scapegoat Shanle for any shortcomings the Saints defense may have.
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07-28-2011, 07:59 PM	#6
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Speaking of condescension.... BTW, the Saints had the fourth overall defense last year. Not the 16th. But hey, since you're such a defensive expert as compared to say, Gregg Williams, I'll take your judgement over his. No, in the rushing stats I was posting about they were not fourth: From NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League for the 2010 season the saints gave up 112.3 YPG. That is 16th, not 4th. Fourth was San Diego at 93.8 YPG
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07-28-2011, 07:46 PM	#3
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	@AdamSchefterAdam Schefter Saints reach agreement with LB Scott Shanle on a two-year, $4 million deal. IMHO, $2mm too much.

07-28-2011, 08:03 PM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL No, in the rushing stats I was posting about they were not fourth: From NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League for the 2010 season the saints gave up 112.3 YPG. That is 16th, not 4th. Fourth was San Diego at 93.8 YPG You didn't say anything about rushing stats. Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. The word "rushing" is not in this sentence, and regardless, the fact that the defense was 4th overall is far more important than the fact that it was 16th in rushing. Throwing Shanle out because the defense was not great against the run is akin to cutting PT and Ivory because our offensive run game sucked last year.
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07-28-2011, 08:04 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL That top 10 defense you are so proud of was ranked 16th in yards allowed per game. 13 teams were worse than the Saints (16 better) at yards per carry allowed. In the Seattle playoff game, they allowed a 6.3 YPC average and 150 yards total. Should have read further yards per carry = rushing

07-28-2011, 08:06 PM	#9
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Should have read further yards per carry = rushing Those two things could exist independently of each other. If you're going to go around using these kind of facts to bash people, at least word them correctly. Regardless, I will stick to my supposition. Blaming Shanle for the team being 16th in rushing defense is retarded. I don't see anybody throwing Vilma or Clark/Dunbar under the bus.
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07-28-2011, 08:10 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	I'm not "bashing" anyone, I just understood what he was saying and apparently you didn't. No big deal; Shanle is resigned regardless who likes it or not, and more than likely has the starting spot until somebody can take it from him...

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