The Villains Free Agency Rant thread

foreverfan · 07-28-2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

Whoa FF I thought you were my homie. One bad game in Seattle, one bad Game in Chicago, more bad games against carolina. Hes a great tackler. But coverage no. Atlanta and Green Bay are probably plotting how they can abuse him out there. With Greg Olson now in the south he needs to bring his PF Flyers. Im glad Drews comfortable with Stinch over Streif but Stich still gets.his A__ kicked its gross why do you think they bring in Streif to chip on some big body formations. Heath is solid but how often do you get a chance to get a head buster like Vickers? Any man who goes toe to toe with Ray Lewis is a quality idea to persue.

You're wrong on this one buddy...

Go ahead... eat crow. Every player gets beat.
Harper's good far out weighs the bad as this vid proves.
Harper's job isn't to cover WRs.
I'd take him on my team any time.
Harper = Playmaker He's a great SS.

Green Bay is more worried about how they're going to slow us down.

Roman Harper Highlights - YouTube

VillainAgain · 07-28-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

You're wrong on this one buddy...
Go ahead... eat crow. Every player gets beat.
Harper's good far out weighs the bad as this vid proves.
Harper's job isn't to cover WRs.
I'd take him on my team any time.
Harper = Playmaker He's a great SS.

Green Bay is more worried about how they're going to slow us down.

Roman Harper Highlights - YouTube

This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel

foreverfan · 07-28-2011, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel

Did you watch all 10 minutes of the highlight film? Think you could have found that much on any other players not name Vilma? No.

Look you could argue that if the pass rush and the LB play was better that Harper would be exposed to miss matches called by Williams. Yes Harper is a little slow on top end but he gets to maximium speed very quickly too. He has the smarts and is a sure tackler.

In any case, Harper isn't the problem with the defense. When you have a DL that can't put pressure on the QB or a LB corp that only has one playmaker, your SS will be left exposed.

ALL PLAYERS GET BEAT. There are great players on the other side of the ball getting paid too.

Danno · 07-28-2011, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Lets see how much he is going to want..we might lose him over the Benjamins..no hometown discount from a bama boy...

Yep, I heard some commentators state that he's in roughly in the same ballpark as Weddle, and Weddle broke the bank.

I love Harp, I just can't see him making that kinda jack here with Brees and Nicks coming up next year..

Marlboro Man · 07-28-2011, 11:43 PM

I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple.

|Mitch| · 07-28-2011, 11:51 PM

You can't place that 'Hawks playoff game travesty solely on Harpers shoulders.
The defense in its entirety was being abused... Their run game was so effective, G.W. had Harper in the box to stop it most of the game...

VillainAgain · 07-29-2011, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple.

Marlboro Man, Salute! Harpers a gambler when it comes to tackling hes either got it or hes missing. Im not blaming the Debacle on him but if you watched that game you would agree, John Carlson tapped that ass. Theres no way hes getting that outrageous contract Weddle got here in the bayou, you want a tackling machine Bernard Pollard is a a monster hes a better tackler then Harp + you can trust he wont get exposed all game in coverage. Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time. And I get Crazy Amped when he makes a play in the passing game further prooving how rare it is.

Danno · 07-29-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time.

I disagree 100%. You've got it backwards.

VillainAgain · 07-29-2011, 10:44 AM

Lol I wish it were so Danno. He gets beat multipleX a game Plain and Simple SS is an Upgradeable position. We cant blame the games on Fred Thomas, We cant blame Games on Josh Bullock, Kevin Kaesvaharn, Jason David ,Tebucky Jones because every player gets beat sometimes? Those guys had productive seasons but got beat, why upgrade those but its blasphemos to upgrade Harper? And to be honest up until GW came to town his ass was looking like he was on the way out. I credit GW using Harper for what hes good for playing in the box..... But not really because every man should know how to play in the box lol

saintsfan1313 · 07-29-2011, 10:51 AM

wow, name dropped Tebucky......that name hasnt been said on here in a looooong time......

07-28-2011, 09:39 PM	#12
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Originally Posted by foreverfan You're wrong on this one buddy... Go ahead... eat crow. Every player gets beat. Harper's good far out weighs the bad as this vid proves. Harper's job isn't to cover WRs. I'd take him on my team any time. Harper = Playmaker He's a great SS. Green Bay is more worried about how they're going to slow us down. Roman Harper Highlights - YouTube This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel strato likes this.
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07-28-2011, 11:05 PM	#13
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by VillainAgain This is highlight film. It shows Harper making plays, few plays in coverage almost all tackles. Again hes a great tackler not so much in coverage. I love my Saints just like anyother fan but the reality is hes suspect in coverage. It doesnt matter what position he has to cover hes the matchup the QB os keeping in mind in his progression. Even when I play madden and I run into a fellow who dat I torch his ass because I know hes a bum In coverage. Remember when Drew was on the cusp of breaking an unattainable record that 3rd- 29 conversion Steve Smith caught on Roman Harper, remember that OT game in Chicago and just like all.game long Pass interference on Roman Harper cost the Season? All im saying is there are other SS's that tackle just as good.and.play well in coverage ie Donte Whitner, Dawan Landry, Brodney Pool, Quinten Mikel Did you watch all 10 minutes of the highlight film? Think you could have found that much on any other players not name Vilma? No. Look you could argue that if the pass rush and the LB play was better that Harper would be exposed to miss matches called by Williams. Yes Harper is a little slow on top end but he gets to maximium speed very quickly too. He has the smarts and is a sure tackler. In any case, Harper isn't the problem with the defense. When you have a DL that can't put pressure on the QB or a LB corp that only has one playmaker, your SS will be left exposed. ALL PLAYERS GET BEAT. There are great players on the other side of the ball getting paid too. Prophet42 and Maverick2299 like this.
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07-28-2011, 11:26 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by strato Lets see how much he is going to want..we might lose him over the Benjamins..no hometown discount from a bama boy... Yep, I heard some commentators state that he's in roughly in the same ballpark as Weddle, and Weddle broke the bank. I love Harp, I just can't see him making that kinda jack here with Brees and Nicks coming up next year..

07-29-2011, 10:25 AM	#17
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple. Marlboro Man, Salute! Harpers a gambler when it comes to tackling hes either got it or hes missing. Im not blaming the Debacle on him but if you watched that game you would agree, John Carlson tapped that ass. Theres no way hes getting that outrageous contract Weddle got here in the bayou, you want a tackling machine Bernard Pollard is a a monster hes a better tackler then Harp + you can trust he wont get exposed all game in coverage. Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time. And I get Crazy Amped when he makes a play in the passing game further prooving how rare it is.
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07-29-2011, 10:30 AM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by VillainAgain Yes every player gets beat SOMETIMES but in the passing game Harper gets beat MOST of the time. I disagree 100%. You've got it backwards.

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07-28-2011, 11:43 PM	#15
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	I don't have the desire or inclination to go back and document every game of the 09, and 10 seasons but Harper needs to be replaced. I rewatched all of the games from those two seasons and just can't understand where anyone feels that Harper is all that good. I can't count how many times Harper was in the hole in position to make the tackle and just wiffed! It's not even funny but if you go back those two seasons and really watch him play, he's definitely not that good and toward the end of last season, teams were beginning to exploit him and his lack of speed and it cost us a playoff game because we couldn't cover him up. We need to get better there plain and simple.

07-28-2011, 11:51 PM	#16
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	You can't place that 'Hawks playoff game travesty solely on Harpers shoulders. The defense in its entirety was being abused... Their run game was so effective, G.W. had Harper in the box to stop it most of the game...

07-29-2011, 10:44 AM	#19
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Lol I wish it were so Danno. He gets beat multipleX a game Plain and Simple SS is an Upgradeable position. We cant blame the games on Fred Thomas, We cant blame Games on Josh Bullock, Kevin Kaesvaharn, Jason David ,Tebucky Jones because every player gets beat sometimes? Those guys had productive seasons but got beat, why upgrade those but its blasphemos to upgrade Harper? And to be honest up until GW came to town his ass was looking like he was on the way out. I credit GW using Harper for what hes good for playing in the box..... But not really because every man should know how to play in the box lol
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07-29-2011, 10:51 AM	#20
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	wow, name dropped Tebucky......that name hasnt been said on here in a looooong time......