Cromartie!!!!!

poydras · 07-30-2011, 06:43 PM

We have four corners, five if you count jenkins. There are 25 starting positions counting the kickers and long snapper. We can't fill the entire 53 man roster with corners!!

jeanpierre · 07-30-2011, 10:50 PM

Three positions you need plenty of depth:

Cornerback

Defensive Tackle

Running Back

got to keep 'em fresh

alleycat_126 · 07-30-2011, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Maverick2299

Revis is only 5'11!!!!!! The best CB in the game today.

Tall does NOT make you good. Cromarte got picked on all last year on the jets, yes he is good, but he is no better the Greer. There is a reason the jets tried to get another CB....and it was not because of money.

Now
Antoine Winfield (5'9)
Brent Grimes (5'10)

Johnathan Joseph (5'11)
Asante Samuel (5'10)
Terence Newman (5'10)
Mike Jenkins (5'10)
Ronde Barber (5'9)
Cortland Finnegan (5'10)
Marcus Trufant (5'11)

The list goes on

Go do your Homework.

It is because Nmandi is better not because cromartie didn't handle his business.

Here's how I do my homework, these are the only numbers that count

the first two number are games played and games started!!!!

2010 New York Jets 15 15 42 41 1 0.0 -- 17 3 75 25.0 66 0 0

2009 San Diego Chargers 16 16 33 31 2 0.0 -- 10 3 17 5.7 16 0 0

2008 San Diego Chargers 16 15 64 60 4 0.0 0 9 2 66 33.0 52T 1 0

Greer is not Cromartie!! Cromartie doesn't miss games!!!! And even you can admit the greer got picked on a whole hellva lot. NO HEIGHT ISN'T EVERYTHING BUT HE'S PRETTY FAST TOO!!!!! Funny thing about this is if we did sign him Greer would move to slot corner so fast it would make your teeth chatter!!!

Budsdrinker · 07-31-2011, 12:27 AM

Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB.

saintfan · 07-31-2011, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB.

This

Danno · 07-31-2011, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB.

This^2

While some CB's will give you a second or two more coverage, that difference typically equates to big money. That same money applied to the front end of the defense will yield better results.

Gimme the best pash rush in the NFL and you can win with two Jason freakin' Davids playing CB.

Conversely if you have the worst pass rush in the NFL, you'll lose even with an Asamugha and Revis at CB, IMO

CheramieIII · 07-31-2011, 09:11 AM

any addition like Crow would be a good one. The man has skillz!

Maverick2299 · 07-31-2011, 07:11 PM

2010 New York Jets 15 15 42 41 1 0.0 -- 17 3 75 25.0 66 0 0

2009 San Diego Chargers 16 16 33 31 2 0.0 -- 10 3 17 5.7 16 0 0

2010 Saints 14 13 61 54 7 0.0 -- 12 2 50 25.0 26 1 0

2009 9 8 44 41 3 0.0 -- 13 2 59 29.5 48 1 0

Yes Cromartie plays more games. Greer's stats are very closer to Cromartie and he did not even start as many. You original argument was that we need height because our guys get picked on when the average height for CB is below 6'0.

I do agree he does get hurt alot, but don't say Greer is not as good or height is a factor.

SaintPauly · 07-31-2011, 07:57 PM

I gotta agree on the pash rush comment. If you give the QB all day to throw the ball, eventually SOMEONE is going to get open. That, IMO, is how we created so many turnovers our superbowl year. Get to the QB, and the rest is gravy.

SaintPauly · 07-31-2011, 08:11 PM

I seem to remember Revis getting scorched by Randy Moss, for a touchdown last season. He came up limping after the score, but was running full bore, before that. I don't care if you guys flame me or not, but I feel that Revis is considerably over rated.....

07-30-2011, 11:39 PM	#13
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by Maverick2299 Revis is only 5'11!!!!!! The best CB in the game today. Tall does NOT make you good. Cromarte got picked on all last year on the jets, yes he is good, but he is no better the Greer. There is a reason the jets tried to get another CB....and it was not because of money. Now Antoine Winfield (5'9) Brent Grimes (5'10) Johnathan Joseph (5'11) Asante Samuel (5'10) Terence Newman (5'10) Mike Jenkins (5'10) Ronde Barber (5'9) Cortland Finnegan (5'10) Marcus Trufant (5'11) The list goes on Go do your Homework. It is because Nmandi is better not because cromartie didn't handle his business. Here's how I do my homework, these are the only numbers that count the first two number are games played and games started!!!! 2010 New York Jets 15 15 42 41 1 0.0 -- 17 3 75 25.0 66 0 0 2009 San Diego Chargers 16 16 33 31 2 0.0 -- 10 3 17 5.7 16 0 0 2008 San Diego Chargers 16 15 64 60 4 0.0 0 9 2 66 33.0 52T 1 0 Greer is not Cromartie!! Cromartie doesn't miss games!!!! And even you can admit the greer got picked on a whole hellva lot. NO HEIGHT ISN'T EVERYTHING BUT HE'S PRETTY FAST TOO!!!!! Funny thing about this is if we did sign him Greer would move to slot corner so fast it would make your teeth chatter!!!

07-31-2011, 12:27 AM	#14
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB. SaintPauly likes this.

07-31-2011, 12:31 AM	#15
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB. This

07-31-2011, 09:01 AM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Doesn't matter who you have in the secondary, if you can't apply a pass rush a receiver will get open. Fix the pass rush (which I think will be done with Rogers) and the defense is set. Rogers should occupy 2 linemen to allow someone to get to the QB. This^2 While some CB's will give you a second or two more coverage, that difference typically equates to big money. That same money applied to the front end of the defense will yield better results. Gimme the best pash rush in the NFL and you can win with two Jason freakin' Davids playing CB. Conversely if you have the worst pass rush in the NFL, you'll lose even with an Asamugha and Revis at CB, IMO darstep likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Three positions you need plenty of depth: Cornerback Defensive Tackle Running Back got to keep 'em fresh

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	any addition like Crow would be a good one. The man has skillz!

07-31-2011, 07:11 PM	#18
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	2010 New York Jets 15 15 42 41 1 0.0 -- 17 3 75 25.0 66 0 0 2009 San Diego Chargers 16 16 33 31 2 0.0 -- 10 3 17 5.7 16 0 0 2010 Saints 14 13 61 54 7 0.0 -- 12 2 50 25.0 26 1 0 2009 9 8 44 41 3 0.0 -- 13 2 59 29.5 48 1 0 Yes Cromartie plays more games. Greer's stats are very closer to Cromartie and he did not even start as many. You original argument was that we need height because our guys get picked on when the average height for CB is below 6'0. I do agree he does get hurt alot, but don't say Greer is not as good or height is a factor.

07-31-2011, 07:57 PM	#19
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	I gotta agree on the pash rush comment. If you give the QB all day to throw the ball, eventually SOMEONE is going to get open. That, IMO, is how we created so many turnovers our superbowl year. Get to the QB, and the rest is gravy.

07-31-2011, 08:11 PM	#20
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	I seem to remember Revis getting scorched by Randy Moss, for a touchdown last season. He came up limping after the score, but was running full bore, before that. I don't care if you guys flame me or not, but I feel that Revis is considerably over rated.....