Ivory

Rugby Saint II · 08-13-2011, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

I dont see Ivory on the active roster when the season starts

Can we bring him back to the practice squad?

FinSaint · 08-13-2011, 10:34 PM

Ivory is going to be on the PUP list to start the season, which is what SP has stated... barring any statements to the contrary he might have made within the last few days. Ivory is a real power runner, but I fear that he will go the way of Barber and become ineffective due to the injuries his hard running style produces. If the coaches are able to get Ivory to modify his running style so that it won't be as hard on his body... he might have the longevity to really brake out, but it's hard to see that happening and him staying as effective as a runner at the same time.

I think that Ingram looked better than a lot of people seem to think. I wasn't expecting him to brake for 80+ yard runs on his first taste of professional football. I was glad to see him pick up a good block a few times, since that's one part that seems to be hard for a lot of young RBs coming out of College.

gandhi1007 · 08-13-2011, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66

THANK GAWD.

AGREED!!!

QBREES9 · 08-13-2011, 10:43 PM

Ivory will be there.

FireVenturi · 08-13-2011, 11:05 PM

I'm done with Ivory. Hurt in College, hurt last year, hurt now. Why would anyone think the trend of injuries will stop?

FinSaint · 08-14-2011, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

I'm done with Ivory. Hurt in College, hurt last year, hurt now. Why would anyone think the trend of injuries will stop?

If he modifies his running style to a less injury prone one or he focuses on his conditioning and overall muscle fitness... or both. I don't want
to give up on the kid because he has had some bad luck with injuries while showing promise as a runner. I think he has above average vision,
he's able to quickly adjust his running direction without losing speed at the same time (--> see Reggie Bush) and he's good at running between tackles.

Cruize · 08-14-2011, 08:02 AM

Ingram is the Saints best all around RB. Hands down. Not even close. He has potential greatness barring injury. It will become apparent as the season goes along. PT is a very good #2 RB that does everything well. Not great at anything. Sproles is a very good situational RB. Ivory has all the skills but will never be healthy.

Saint_LB · 08-14-2011, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

If he modifies his running style to a less injury prone one or he focuses on his conditioning and overall muscle fitness... or both. I don't want
to give up on the kid because he has had some bad luck with injuries while showing promise as a runner. I think he has above average vision,
he's able to quickly adjust his running direction without losing speed at the same time (--> see Reggie Bush) and he's good at running between tackles.

I don't know. I'm sitting here thinking, "How can you tell a guy to try to break through the brick wall a different way?" I think the reason he gets hurt so much is because he plays with reckless abandon and he doesn't have the body for it. Not many do.

papz · 08-14-2011, 09:02 AM

I don't know if anyone remembers who Chris Brown was but Ivory profiles a lot like him. He did have multiple thousand yard seasons but his violent running style made him injury prone and gradually no one wanted to take that chance with him anymore.

FinSaint · 08-14-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I don't know. I'm sitting here thinking, "How can you tell a guy to try to break through the brick wall a different way?" I think the reason he gets hurt so much is because he plays with reckless abandon and he doesn't have the body for it. Not many do.

Run with a lower center of gravity which will help with the tackles to the lower body and be more susceptible to going down when there's nothing more
to be gained in a run instead of milking out every possible yard 'cos those pile tackles where the runner is forced to stand up and then the pile falls
on him are where many RBs hurt themselves. I mean those are just few examples, but I'm sure professional coaches can do a lot with a young
guy like Ivory if he is just willing to do the work required. After all the way he runs is not coded to his DNA... it's just the way he has learned do to it
along the years.

08-13-2011, 10:19 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Originally Posted by homerj07 I dont see Ivory on the active roster when the season starts Can we bring him back to the practice squad?

08-13-2011, 10:34 PM	#12
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Ivory is going to be on the PUP list to start the season, which is what SP has stated... barring any statements to the contrary he might have made within the last few days. Ivory is a real power runner, but I fear that he will go the way of Barber and become ineffective due to the injuries his hard running style produces. If the coaches are able to get Ivory to modify his running style so that it won't be as hard on his body... he might have the longevity to really brake out, but it's hard to see that happening and him staying as effective as a runner at the same time. I think that Ingram looked better than a lot of people seem to think. I wasn't expecting him to brake for 80+ yard runs on his first taste of professional football. I was glad to see him pick up a good block a few times, since that's one part that seems to be hard for a lot of young RBs coming out of College.
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08-13-2011, 10:35 PM	#13
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66 THANK GAWD. AGREED!!!

08-14-2011, 05:12 AM	#16
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by FireVenturi I'm done with Ivory. Hurt in College, hurt last year, hurt now. Why would anyone think the trend of injuries will stop? If he modifies his running style to a less injury prone one or he focuses on his conditioning and overall muscle fitness... or both. I don't want to give up on the kid because he has had some bad luck with injuries while showing promise as a runner. I think he has above average vision, he's able to quickly adjust his running direction without losing speed at the same time (--> see Reggie Bush) and he's good at running between tackles.

08-14-2011, 08:02 AM	#17
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Ingram is the Saints best all around RB. Hands down. Not even close. He has potential greatness barring injury. It will become apparent as the season goes along. PT is a very good #2 RB that does everything well. Not great at anything. Sproles is a very good situational RB. Ivory has all the skills but will never be healthy.
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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Ivory will be there.

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FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	I'm done with Ivory. Hurt in College, hurt last year, hurt now. Why would anyone think the trend of injuries will stop?

08-14-2011, 08:12 AM	#18
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by FinSaint If he modifies his running style to a less injury prone one or he focuses on his conditioning and overall muscle fitness... or both. I don't want to give up on the kid because he has had some bad luck with injuries while showing promise as a runner. I think he has above average vision, he's able to quickly adjust his running direction without losing speed at the same time (--> see Reggie Bush) and he's good at running between tackles. I don't know. I'm sitting here thinking, "How can you tell a guy to try to break through the brick wall a different way?" I think the reason he gets hurt so much is because he plays with reckless abandon and he doesn't have the body for it. Not many do.
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08-14-2011, 09:02 AM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	I don't know if anyone remembers who Chris Brown was but Ivory profiles a lot like him. He did have multiple thousand yard seasons but his violent running style made him injury prone and gradually no one wanted to take that chance with him anymore.

08-14-2011, 09:26 AM	#20
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Saint_LB I don't know. I'm sitting here thinking, "How can you tell a guy to try to break through the brick wall a different way?" I think the reason he gets hurt so much is because he plays with reckless abandon and he doesn't have the body for it. Not many do. Run with a lower center of gravity which will help with the tackles to the lower body and be more susceptible to going down when there's nothing more to be gained in a run instead of milking out every possible yard 'cos those pile tackles where the runner is forced to stand up and then the pile falls on him are where many RBs hurt themselves. I mean those are just few examples, but I'm sure professional coaches can do a lot with a young guy like Ivory if he is just willing to do the work required. After all the way he runs is not coded to his DNA... it's just the way he has learned do to it along the years.
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