Does the 2011 Defense have a chance to outshine the Dome Patrol?

08-17-2011, 09:59 AM

I think if you don't compare position by position, which is meaningless, and look at output, you will see that this D has a lot of potential to match that.
When the Dome Patrol was playing, the NFL was a run-first league, and our conference basically invented and perfected the West Coast offense, short, high percentage passes over the middle and at the sidelines. The Patrol was built to stop that, and it did it spectacularly.

Now, we have a defense which already has 3 potential probowlers on the line, and two in the secondary, in a league that is pass-first "Year of the Quarterback" and a conference full of big receivers, high profile TEs and upper-tier QBs (Carolina remains to be seen.)
What we are talking about is a defense with the same training and pedigree as the 2009 turnover machine, without the "all or nothing" mentality, since we have 3 guys who alone can put pressure and stuff the run while our killer secondary hawks for the ball.

It is really an apples to oranges comparison, since they were built to do different things, and the stats are going to be much much different (the DP had low yardage, low scores, this group will have higher INTs, FFs and sacks, but could still give up large amounts of yardage.)
Though it wouldn't surprise me at all for the "post-Superbowl" 2010-2012 Saints to be known as a defensive powerhouse more than an offensive one. Which is fine by me, win the games however you can do it boys.

ALLSAINTS66 · 08-17-2011, 10:09 AM

No one thought the Heavy Lunch Bunch could be topped, either.
Time will definitely tell, but I think it's looking good for a dazzling season.
While we're at it, RIP Big Normand Hand. We miss you, brother.
A Big Wiggle to ya, up in Saints heaven! : )

alexonfyre · 08-17-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66

No one thought the Heavy Lunch Bunch could be topped, either.
Time will definitely tell, but I think it's looking good for a dazzling season.
While we're at it, RIP Big Normand Hand. We miss you, brother.
A Big Wiggle to ya, up in Saints heaven! : )

He died before his time...went from a Saint to a saint. (took a couple pit stops in seattle and new york along the way.)

papz · 08-17-2011, 11:29 AM

Yes it has the potential to outshine the Dome Patrol... minus the gaudy sack numbers. We had arguably one of the best linebacking core ever to play the game during that point in time... that's really hard to duplicate. This secondary by far outshines them and the DL is about what and what.

Maverick2299 · 08-17-2011, 11:57 AM

With Greg Williams coaching I think we have a chance.

saintfan · 08-17-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by strato

That would be awsome..

Yep. It wold be. I'm all for it. I'm not about to rate our current group that high tho. Frankly I don't think they're that good.

Y'all prove me wrong boys.

Mardigras9 · 08-17-2011, 12:01 PM

I hope so, we'll see soon enough.

st thomas · 08-17-2011, 12:25 PM

we are real protective of that unit the dome patrol for good reason, back then. we had a so-so offense. now that the sides or in reverse mode we are all iffy when it comes to matching the 2 defenses. now i for one have stated a few times that this class will have to be reconed with, i think we have something special and is a must watch. i'm excited and take notice people. look out for these GW'S plow boys.

FinSaint · 08-17-2011, 12:40 PM

Stat-wise maybe... but definitely from an emotional stance: no way. What that D meant for a struggling franchise at the time is virtually impossible to mimic or to surpass.

crawgator · 08-17-2011, 01:13 PM

Lb = No Way.. other than Vilma, With I would agree he would have rode the bench on that team

DL = has potential, with a mix of veterans, and unproven young guys, this DL has the talent to get the job done.. Time will tell.. But for now trying to come up with a nickname for them... Hmmm any Ideas? Whack em Sack em?

Secondary = also has the potential, We have maybe the deepest corner back rotation in the NFL... If Sharper was to comeback I would say definitely yes... We may have the best Defensive backfield in the NFL..
My only Question mark is Roman Harper, Does he continue to give up the big play. I hope not... Though he is a hard hitter, he does defend well against the run.. He just needs to pick up the pace in pass coverage.. Malcum Jenkins has the potential to be the best Free safety in the league.. He is a ball Hawk, always seems to be in the right place at the right time..

So lets get ready to lock and load... Cause there is gonna be some hard hitting going on out there this year.. There's gonna be a lot of excitement
But as with all gambling defenses there is gonna be some big plays given up.. I just hope not at the wrong time in crucial games..

All in all yes this team can compete with the DOME PATROL.. But they need there own Identity.. Come on Who Dats What should we nick name this defense?

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

08-17-2011, 09:59 AM	#11
Threaded by alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799 Rating: (0 votes - average) I think if you don't compare position by position, which is meaningless, and look at output, you will see that this D has a lot of potential to match that. When the Dome Patrol was playing, the NFL was a run-first league, and our conference basically invented and perfected the West Coast offense, short, high percentage passes over the middle and at the sidelines. The Patrol was built to stop that, and it did it spectacularly. Now, we have a defense which already has 3 potential probowlers on the line, and two in the secondary, in a league that is pass-first "Year of the Quarterback" and a conference full of big receivers, high profile TEs and upper-tier QBs (Carolina remains to be seen.) What we are talking about is a defense with the same training and pedigree as the 2009 turnover machine, without the "all or nothing" mentality, since we have 3 guys who alone can put pressure and stuff the run while our killer secondary hawks for the ball. It is really an apples to oranges comparison, since they were built to do different things, and the stats are going to be much much different (the DP had low yardage, low scores, this group will have higher INTs, FFs and sacks, but could still give up large amounts of yardage.) Though it wouldn't surprise me at all for the "post-Superbowl" 2010-2012 Saints to be known as a defensive powerhouse more than an offensive one. Which is fine by me, win the games however you can do it boys.
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08-17-2011, 10:15 AM	#13
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by ALLSAINTS66 No one thought the Heavy Lunch Bunch could be topped, either. Time will definitely tell, but I think it's looking good for a dazzling season. While we're at it, RIP Big Normand Hand. We miss you, brother. A Big Wiggle to ya, up in Saints heaven! : ) He died before his time...went from a Saint to a saint. (took a couple pit stops in seattle and new york along the way.)

08-17-2011, 11:59 AM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by strato That would be awsome.. Yep. It wold be. I'm all for it. I'm not about to rate our current group that high tho. Frankly I don't think they're that good. Y'all prove me wrong boys.

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08-17-2011, 10:09 AM	#12
ALLSAINTS66 Bless You Boys! Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In mah hause. Posts: 319	No one thought the Heavy Lunch Bunch could be topped, either. Time will definitely tell, but I think it's looking good for a dazzling season. While we're at it, RIP Big Normand Hand. We miss you, brother. A Big Wiggle to ya, up in Saints heaven! : )

08-17-2011, 11:29 AM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Yes it has the potential to outshine the Dome Patrol... minus the gaudy sack numbers. We had arguably one of the best linebacking core ever to play the game during that point in time... that's really hard to duplicate. This secondary by far outshines them and the DL is about what and what.

08-17-2011, 11:57 AM	#15
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	With Greg Williams coaching I think we have a chance.

08-17-2011, 12:01 PM	#17
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	I hope so, we'll see soon enough.

08-17-2011, 12:25 PM	#18
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	we are real protective of that unit the dome patrol for good reason, back then. we had a so-so offense. now that the sides or in reverse mode we are all iffy when it comes to matching the 2 defenses. now i for one have stated a few times that this class will have to be reconed with, i think we have something special and is a must watch. i'm excited and take notice people. look out for these GW'S plow boys.

08-17-2011, 12:40 PM	#19
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Stat-wise maybe... but definitely from an emotional stance: no way. What that D meant for a struggling franchise at the time is virtually impossible to mimic or to surpass.

08-17-2011, 01:13 PM	#20
crawgator 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ridgecrest, Ca Posts: 187 Blog Entries: 1	Lb = No Way.. other than Vilma, With I would agree he would have rode the bench on that team DL = has potential, with a mix of veterans, and unproven young guys, this DL has the talent to get the job done.. Time will tell.. But for now trying to come up with a nickname for them... Hmmm any Ideas? Whack em Sack em? Secondary = also has the potential, We have maybe the deepest corner back rotation in the NFL... If Sharper was to comeback I would say definitely yes... We may have the best Defensive backfield in the NFL.. My only Question mark is Roman Harper, Does he continue to give up the big play. I hope not... Though he is a hard hitter, he does defend well against the run.. He just needs to pick up the pace in pass coverage.. Malcum Jenkins has the potential to be the best Free safety in the league.. He is a ball Hawk, always seems to be in the right place at the right time.. So lets get ready to lock and load... Cause there is gonna be some hard hitting going on out there this year.. There's gonna be a lot of excitement But as with all gambling defenses there is gonna be some big plays given up.. I just hope not at the wrong time in crucial games.. All in all yes this team can compete with the DOME PATROL.. But they need there own Identity.. Come on Who Dats What should we nick name this defense? GEAUX SAINTS!!!!