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Now that the year has come and gone again and the Saints only activity towards the playoffs , is sitting in the Big Easy chair and watching them on television , let's take a look at the recent myth that Brooks has been held down or hampered by the record setting amount of dropped balls in New Orleans .

Incomparison to other teams in the N.F.L.

Rank Team Drops

1 Det 51
2 Sea 41
3 KC 40
4 Atl 37
5 Oak 34
6 Was 34
7 Ind 33
8 SD 33
9 Bal 33
10 Pit 32
11 Dal 32
12 NYG 32
13 Phi 31
14 Hou 28
15 Ari 28
16 Ten 27
17 Chi 27
18 NE 26
19 Jac 26
20 NO 26
21 Car 24
22 NYJ 23
23 SF 23
24 TB 22
25 Den 21
26 Min 21
27 Cin 20
28 Cle 20
29 Buf 19
30 Mia 19
31 GB 19
32 StL 19


So lets see, 12 teams will play for the right to play in the Super Bowl .

Of those teams 8 teams had more drops then the Saints . Only 4 teams had fewer drops then the Saints and are in the play offs .

3 0f the 4 teams that earned a first round bye , had more drops then the Saints . :hallucine:

For those keeping Saints back up quarterback stats , Both Delhomme and Bulger had fewer drops .... :o

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Ok, I\'ll bite.

It is not the number of drops alone that matter, it is when and where they happen.

Furthermore, an aggregate drop stat is somewhat useless unless you know how many passes were thrown. That is, if one ball is dropped for every 10 passes, that is better than one ball dropped for every 3 passes - but I\'m certain I\'m not stunning anyone with this observation. Thus the simple number of drops is not particularly perspicuous in demonstrating what hurt the QB.

I hope that gets the ball rolling on this one.

Cheers.

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08. if you think Aaron Brooks is the reason we didn\'t make the playoffs you\'re sadly mistaken. This team has so many problems that blaming this year on Brooks is unfair. He\'s one of the few on this team that didn\'t underachieve this year. On a list of problems, he\'s way down the list...
1. Bad play calling/game planning by the OC.
2. Massive injuries, first on the D then the O.
3. A head coach that tolerates \"me\" players.
4. A fullback that can\'t catch or run
5. A special teams returner that runs due east or west.
6. A defensive line that couldn\'t play the run
7. A special team\'s unit that regressed in a major way.
8. Sloppy tackling by SEVERAL players (not jus TJ).
9. An all-pro RB that got very little rest during the season.
10. Players more interested in TD stunts than playing football
11. A WR that rarely plays because he felt a twitch in his hammy
12. An aging kicker who\'s losing his leg.
13. A QB that fumbles at crucial times.
and finally...
13. Disgruntled cry-baby fans that are still vocally bitter about the local boy not getting his shot.

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Fair enough

Rank Team Drops / attempts

2 Sea 41 / 521
3 KC 40 / 536
7 Ind 33 / 569
9 Bal 33 / 415
11 Dal 32 / 510
13 Phi 31 / 484
16 Ten 27 / 502
18 NE 26 / 537
20 NO 26 / 535
21 Car 24 / 460
25 Den 21 / 479
31 GB 19 / 473
32 StL 19 / 600

So lets only use teams with similar passing attempts for our comparison . All of the following teams made the play offs with about the same average of attempts and all had more dropped passes then Brooks .

New England / 537
Seattle / 521
Indy / 569
New Orleans / 535
Kansas City / 536

Now lets filter it by defensive performance , and because this is by actual defensive performance , there in no whining about injuries , that is potential after the fact .

Defensive average per game

New England / 292
Seattle / 328
Indy / 300
New Orleans / 327
Kansas City / 357

Now lets filter Rushing

New England / 1607
Seattle / 2009
Indy / 1695
New Orleans / 2000
Kansas City / 1929

Now for the final stat , we will go with the 4 teams closest in totals . All of the following teams had more dropped passes then Brooks , similar defensive yardage allowed , similar pass attempts and similar season rushing totals .

Yet only one is not in the Play offs , lets see .

Seattle - pass completion percentage 60.8
Indy - pass completion percentage 67.0
Kansas City - pass completion percentage 63.2
New Orleans - pass completion percentage 58.7

Is that by your standard or by what it takes to make the play offs ???

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Gator, I couldn\'t agree more.

08, I have to profess some misunderstanding. I\'m not sure what the conclusion is now. Is it this, several teams have more drops, about the same defense, about the same rushing offense, but they still made the playoffs? Therefore, due to the parity in all of these stats, it must be Brooks\' fault we didn\'t make the playoffs - becuase he is the only other factor in wins/losses?

If that is what you are saying, and no one should hold you accountable for what might be a very bad interpretation on my behalf, then I don\'t think that your conclusion follows just yet. There are obviously many other factors that contribute to wins/losses over and above QB, Total D, and Total Rushing per game. Some obvious things come to mind, special teams, refs, goal-line defense, and timing of big plays (including fumbles and interceptions) - I\'m sure the list goes on. Thus, even though you have brought up some good stuff, but I\'m not sure it should be convincing.

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\"PLAYOFFS NEXT YEAR OR YOUR OUT HAZLETT!!\"

That\'s funny Gator, you said that before this year too. Shall I go find the \"NO EXCUSES\" thread from this preseason to prove it?

I don\'t mean to pick on Gator at all. I\'m just using his words to prove a point. When will the fans of this team actually get enough backbone to support their statements and demand better play? We all knock Benson, but are we any different? I was about the ONLY guy calling for Haslett\'s head at the end of last season. I was one of a few talking about \"no excuses\" this preseason (Gator was one of those guys too - to his credit), and now, after the third straight disappointing season, everyone is talking about Haslett being the problem...

Yet, in typical Saints (and Saints fan) style, everyone is saying \"next year\". Next year is the year he better prove it. Next year is the they better make the playoffs. No, sorry guys, that was this year. Stand up and say that Haslett should be gone already.

I mean, what if they do make the playoffs next season. Who here thinks it will be because of Haslett? Not me. So if he makes the playoffs next year, what about the year after? Does he get three more years of underacheiving? Sorry boys, Haslett has proven his worth to me in four years here, and let me tell you, it ain\'t much.

And I don\'t want to hear about rebuilding years. A new coach does NOT mean a subpar season. Just look at Parcells, or, if you prefer, try to thin kback and remember what JIM HASLETT did in his first year as the head coach of this team. There are only four questions I have to ask myself:

1. Can this team play up to or above its potential with Haslett as the coach?
2. Can they win a Super Bowl with Haslett?
3. Does a coaching change mean they have no shot at the playoffs next year?
4. Does a coaching change give new hope to the players and fans for the future?

If you answered \"no\" to the first three, and \"yes\" to number 4, you\'re with me, so start standing up and saying it. I don\'t want to hear any more of this \"next year\" garbage anymore.

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Here Saintsfan , come sink your teeth into some tender vittles ..... :P

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I listened to the \"state of the union\" address from Parcells on the Cowboys yesterday, and he said something that struck me. I think we can all agree that Parcells knows a little something about the game of football. The two quotes that really struck me was:

\"With the exception of deep snapper, if I am able to upgrade any position on this team within reason, I will.\"
\"In this league, the less reliant you are on your quarterback to win games for you, the better your team is.\"

It may sound as if he will be replacing Quincy at the QB position, but he stressed that Quincy is his starting QB right now. He didn\'t, however, rule out replacing anyone on that team. And I think that is a more realistic way to view your team. If you have the best, or the best of the best, then there isn\'t an upgrade. And while Roy Williams is pound for pound the best player on the Cowboys, he is not elite, even though he is approaching that very fast, and if an opportunity comes along to upgrade that position at a reasonable deal, he would not rule out making that deal. Do I see Roy Williams and Flozell Adams starting for the Cowboys next year, yes, but you\'ve got to always keep in mind that you want what is best for the team, not the individual.

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One thing that I must admit about Mueller that I thought was great was that he constantly combed the waiver wire looking for the 30 - 50 players .

Those players on the second and third teams , they were not safe under the Mueller regime and had to prove their own each and every day and that aspect of the team always filters up .

Competition in the ranks is a good thing in the N.F.L. , it keeps the starters focused on getting better and less likely to take a play or a day off .... This is something that has been lacking in New Orleans since Mueller has left .

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I have to admit that for whatever reason I root for Haslet to be successful. Not only because he is Saints HC, but because he has that fiery demeanor I enjoy of HC\'s in general.

But most of this season I had as part of my sig \"Dennis Green for HC/GM.\" Even so, I have to admit that I don\'t see Benson replacing Haslet even if the Saints miss the playoffs next year unless Jim has someplace to go.

From what I understand, Haslet still has 3 years left on his contract at around 3 mil per season. Does anyone really think Benson is going to fire a coach that he\'ll owe so much while the State of Louisiana is having to pay Benson to keep the team \"financially viable\"? Not to mention the newly elected Govenor is soon to take office and we have no real idea of whther she is in favor of supporting the Saints to the same degree as Foster.

Benson is not going to cut his throat with the State by throwing away good money by firing Haslet when he can simply keep Haslet and thereby keeping the State happy and keeping us fans thinking \"next year!\"

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Comments like the following have followed and come out of the Blanco campaign :

It\"s about time to tell Mr. Benson where to go with his dome and his team. The state is giving him 3 million a year for nothing.

If he can\"t make enough with the Saints he eather needs to open up a new car lot or sell a couple of them. As a taxpayer I\'m tired of sending this sorry bum my hard worked dollars. It\"s time for the next governor to tell Benson no more state money.

Now the big question for Benson is , can he continue to serve up mediocrity in the Superdome ???

He is soon going to need to prove he is worth any investment from the state ............

Not to mention Benson originally financially backed the loser in the Governors race .

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Has anyone else read those Blanco comments? It\'s very hard for me to believe that Blanco would have said those exact quotes.

Is 08 tellin\' the truth here, or is he back on the sauce? You just don\'t know what the guy(08) is gonna say next. The \"National Enquirer\" ain\'t got nothing on you 08!! Send me some of those \"pills\" that you\'re on. No need to be greedy.

[Edited on 7/1/2004 by BillyC]

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Not that I doubt 08\'s credibility **cough, spit, cough** but aren\'t we supposed to be posting links to the full article? Just curious...

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I believe Ms Blanco\'s exact quotes were:

Here\'s the link:

www.BrooksAgenda@Babble.com

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A link would be nice. You just never know about 08. I mean, the \"National Enquirer\" has a \"legit\" story every once in a while, but I\'m kind of skeptical about \"ELVIS\" still being alive.

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Dang you type fast Billy...

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I do not remember her saying any of those, but you know how forgetful I am. Please give us a link 08. Or maybe we\'ll just have to agree to not agree with these statements. ;)

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Hey Danno --

You forgot to use the word \"Clearly\" which as I have observed recently has become Whodat\'s most over used word. Clearly he uses that one a bit too often...

;)

[Edited on 7/1/2004 by saintfan]

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AB is my hero. :D

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Damn sportsfans , leave for a few hours and the world comes unglued .

I see the problem

Billy get glasses and take an english class .

Certainly the much debated Jindal - Saints connection which was dragged through the muck in the election from the candidates does not need to be mentioned any further .

This does not mean Blanco stated during her campaign , this means as a byproduct of her campaign or her voters .

I submit for poster review the following sent to me from outside sources :

http://www.geocities.com/wftright/03/la03.html

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/20...um/forum64.txt

I do not have the transcipt for this precious moment , but it was posted on another site .



[Edited on 8/1/2004 by saintz08]

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08--

Oh, I see......................

Blanco didn\'t actually say any of those things. It was someone, like yourself, who said those things, and the name \"Blanco\" was mentioned in the same breath as the \"saints\" and somehow you think that Blanco might actually share those thoughts.

A more likely scenario is that you are trying to convince yourself of a way the Saints can draft Eli Manning and and you are displaying your \"genius\" thoughts here on this baord.

I used to do something simular to what you are doing 08. Every year around Christmas I would shake my unwraped Christmas presents and convice myself that it was some exotic toy, but on Christmas day it was only a pair of socks. So, you are expecting Eli on draft day??? Get ready for a pair of socks. Let\'s just hope a linebacker is in those socks... :P

[Edited on 8/1/2004 by BillyC]

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A MSG here for 08...

If it ain\'t in quotes, it\'s not a quote and therefore someone\'s opinion.

While I\'m aware of the fact that ya can\'t teach an old dog new tricks I think this is a prime example of why many of your posts rub me the wrong way. I have accused you over and over of posting your opinion as fact. \"Clearly\" (props to Whodat) your most recent attempt has come back to bite you in the azz!

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Like that is a bad thing ..... :P

Do you school girls live in a box ?? Or did you not hear the little Blanco blurp they used to run on WWL ??

Another posting source :

Damn and I even go some info like this from someone in Arizona .

Billy I know exactly what you are saying .

I get the same feeling everytime I see you have written something ....... ;)







[Edited on 8/1/2004 by saintz08]

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Tisk Tisk Tisk. You posted something intended to read as a direct quote. You failed to provide a link to the supposed quote(s), and much in the spirit of one Mr. Pete Rose you continue to dance around the FACT and refuse to admit you did it. This is an old game you\'re playin\' 08.

Tisk Tisk Tisk...

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You would think you would be better at it ...... ;)

The link you were looking for is about , hmmmm 5 posts back .....

Your time away has made you a little rusty Saintsfan , keep swingin you will get the rust worked out ....lol

At no time was it intended to be a direct Quote from Blanco , that was Billy\'s blindness and your willingness to follow .

Come on now school girls I cannot do all the work for you ....lol

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Ahhhh, so those \"comments...out of the Blanco campaign\" weren\'t intended as quotes?

I think most would agree that you insinuated differently, but that does clear things up quite a bit. It\'s called crawfishing 08, but then you turned that into a form of art a long time ago.

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08--

By all means, post whatever you want. I pay very little attention to \'em. I just assume you took one too many \"happy pills\". There might be some new members that believe what you say though. I think it would be a VERY GOOD idea for you to be perfectly CLEAR to whether or not those are REAL quotes or something you pulled out of the National Enquirer. Give the good folks here a \"link\" into your world. We know you are brilliant 08, but provide us with a link anyway.... Can ya do that? Thanks a bunch. :o

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Anyone else notice that we tended to get along better BEFORE Saintfan returned? Now, he comes back and the FIRST thing that I see happening is people starting getting attacked, words like \"agenda\" start coming back up and the sunshine club, with Billy back at VP, starts selling candy on the corner again. Wasn\'t Billy just talking about how he would have no faith in this team as long as Haslett was the head coach? Saintfan comes back and I can feel Billyand Danno starting to talk about Super Bowls next year. Unreal. Saintfan, you are good at one thing, and one thing only as far as I can tell: starting controversy and arguments. Otherwise, I don\'t see you talking much football - in fact so far EVERY post in this thread has been about myself or 08. YOUR AGENDA IS CLEAR TO ME. Oops, I used the word clear again. 95% of your posts are attacks of people like myself and 08, usually in response to criticism of Brooks. Take attacks and criticism away from you and have you posted anything on this board?

Joesam, I submit this to you. The only difference between what Saintsfan is doing now, and has done for a LONG time, and what Billy, Gator, Swampdog, etc. have gotten in trouble for in the past is that Saintfan is not as explicit in his insults and personal attacks, but they are personal attacks nonetheless. To Joe or whomever is playing moderator now, I ask, do something about this. Thanks.

[Edited on 9/1/2004 by WhoDat]

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C\'mon, WhoDat --

I understand saintfan might get under your skin, but I have my kyponite out there too. Need I remind you about some of our discussions in the RECENT past? It ain\'t going to be perfect on here.

PS -- I still would like to see Haslett gone. Gone like the wind.

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Whodat --

Forgive the \"non-football\" related response here, but do you REALLY want me to quote your recent name calling? You have no business goin\' there my man...clearly.

This is CLEARLY a case of the pot making reference to the kettle.

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Sure Saintfan, let\'s pick out our last, say 50 posts, and see how many talk about football and how many talk about people.





AND I DON\'T THINK YA\'LL READ THE RULES POST !

[Edited on 9/1/2004 by JOESAM2002]

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Was that a personal attack? hmmmmm.....

As if it matters (or like I care) the point I was making (and I belive I did ultimately) was that 08\'s post insinuated something that wasn\'t true. Whether you like it or not is of no consequence...clearly. ;)

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WhoDat --

That was COMPLETELY uncalled for. That\'s also your opinion and not one shared by every member on here. Gator makes those same comments about me as if he owns this board. What you just did is the biggest form of personal attack, IMO. I\'m not calling you out here, but are you encourging members to quit this board? This board has moderators and I think it\'s up to them to MODERATE this board.

Look, I\'ve probably caused more problems than anyone on here, and JoeSam has went out of his way not to ban me, as well as other members on here. Do we really need to cause him anymore problems. I can see this thing getting out of control real quick. This is my last comment on the BS.