What we needed!!!

FinSaint · 08-21-2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Remember seeing last weeks thread comparing this defense to the Dome Patrol? Preseason will not show any of us what this team is, not until Sept 8.

Hmmm... I don't want to take it too literally, but I would say that these games show us quite a lot about "what this team is."

If we just forget for a moment about the different strategies and gameplans that would normally change the look and flow of these games, then what we have are individual players showing their coaches at what level they can compete at and what their skill-sets are. These individuals make up the team - barring any rosters additions/reductions - so I would say that we have a fairly good approximation of "what this team is."

We can always make the argument that the coaches were unwilling to show their hands this early on and, therefore, ran very vanilla Os & Ds, but still, I don't think the individual players are holding back on their performances - especially those still fighting for depth chart or roster spots. If they were holding back... these games would be worthless in one of their main functions, which is to allow the coaching staff to evaluate players in a competitive environment against another team.

Another argument might be that a lot of these guys won't have as big of an impact in the season - if any - and so it's virtually impossible to deduce from these games what the real game day team would look and feel like. But, so far it's mainly the first string guys that haven't looked really good in these games - well the D did against SF - and that is where the concerns rise from whether they be caused by lack of skills or just unfamiliarity of playing together as a team.

Anyway, I'm not saying a pre-season loss means that the Saints are doomed, but to say that these games cannot be used to give some indication of the capabilities of this team, is the polar opposite of overreacting and equally invalid in my opinion.

homerj07 · 08-21-2011, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Remember seeing last weeks thread comparing this defense to the Dome Patrol? Preseason will not show any of us what this team is, not until Sept 8.

I did not like it then or now.

I think a good swift kick in the buttocks is what we needed. Stop listening to & reading the hype. Learn what you got to learn & go out & play!!

foreverfan · 08-21-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

A good old fashsioned kick in the NADS!!! Can't think this season is gonna be easy!!!! Don't panic peeps. This is a chess game not checkers.

Kicked in the nuts episode 1 - YouTube

VillainAgain · 08-21-2011, 05:26 PM

Im not worried it sux we took an L but im not worried, the offense moved up and down the field minus a blown assignments we're still legit! Andre Johnson does that to everyone just gotta do better on bracketing him, run defense needs to tighten up but again im not worried we play them in wk 4 or 5 I think, you dont want to let the cat outta the bag an show to much. What I saw on offense is we do what we want when we want on O. Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better

FinSaint · 08-21-2011, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better

It was Oliver, the safety from the Chargers. When I saw that play I thought: well there goes his chances of making the 53... I bet GW is tearing him a new one for that.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 08-21-2011, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

Im not worried it sux we took an L but im not worried, the offense moved up and down the field minus a blown assignments we're still legit! Andre Johnson does that to everyone just gotta do better on bracketing him, run defense needs to tighten up but again im not worried we play them in wk 4 or 5 I think, you dont want to let the cat outta the bag an show to much. What I saw on offense is we do what we want when we want on O. Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better

That was one long, rambling, jumbled sentence. Well, OK, more than one.

VillainAgain · 08-22-2011, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

That was one long, rambling, jumbled sentence. Well, OK, more than one.

I didnt know this was english class

saintfan · 08-22-2011, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

I didnt know this was english class

The comma police are watching you man...

SAINT_MICHAEL · 08-22-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

I didnt know this was english class

Nah not class, merely an observation. I'm not qualified to be an English teacher. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn express last night!

Memnoch_TP · 08-25-2011, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

I didnt know this was english class

I didn't know this was English class.

08-21-2011, 05:10 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Remember seeing last weeks thread comparing this defense to the Dome Patrol? Preseason will not show any of us what this team is, not until Sept 8. Hmmm... I don't want to take it too literally, but I would say that these games show us quite a lot about "what this team is." If we just forget for a moment about the different strategies and gameplans that would normally change the look and flow of these games, then what we have are individual players showing their coaches at what level they can compete at and what their skill-sets are. These individuals make up the team - barring any rosters additions/reductions - so I would say that we have a fairly good approximation of "what this team is." We can always make the argument that the coaches were unwilling to show their hands this early on and, therefore, ran very vanilla Os & Ds, but still, I don't think the individual players are holding back on their performances - especially those still fighting for depth chart or roster spots. If they were holding back... these games would be worthless in one of their main functions, which is to allow the coaching staff to evaluate players in a competitive environment against another team. Another argument might be that a lot of these guys won't have as big of an impact in the season - if any - and so it's virtually impossible to deduce from these games what the real game day team would look and feel like. But, so far it's mainly the first string guys that haven't looked really good in these games - well the D did against SF - and that is where the concerns rise from whether they be caused by lack of skills or just unfamiliarity of playing together as a team. Anyway, I'm not saying a pre-season loss means that the Saints are doomed, but to say that these games cannot be used to give some indication of the capabilities of this team, is the polar opposite of overreacting and equally invalid in my opinion. Boutte likes this.
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08-21-2011, 07:09 PM	#2
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Remember seeing last weeks thread comparing this defense to the Dome Patrol? Preseason will not show any of us what this team is, not until Sept 8. I did not like it then or now. I think a good swift kick in the buttocks is what we needed. Stop listening to & reading the hype. Learn what you got to learn & go out & play!!

08-21-2011, 05:26 PM	#4
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Im not worried it sux we took an L but im not worried, the offense moved up and down the field minus a blown assignments we're still legit! Andre Johnson does that to everyone just gotta do better on bracketing him, run defense needs to tighten up but again im not worried we play them in wk 4 or 5 I think, you dont want to let the cat outta the bag an show to much. What I saw on offense is we do what we want when we want on O. Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273

08-21-2011, 08:06 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by VillainAgain Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better It was Oliver, the safety from the Chargers. When I saw that play I thought: well there goes his chances of making the 53... I bet GW is tearing him a new one for that.

08-21-2011, 10:42 PM	#6
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by VillainAgain Im not worried it sux we took an L but im not worried, the offense moved up and down the field minus a blown assignments we're still legit! Andre Johnson does that to everyone just gotta do better on bracketing him, run defense needs to tighten up but again im not worried we play them in wk 4 or 5 I think, you dont want to let the cat outta the bag an show to much. What I saw on offense is we do what we want when we want on O. Defense again just gotta tighten up missed tackles dont help either I dont remember who whiffed on that first Foster Td but eewwwww he needs to break down and square up better That was one long, rambling, jumbled sentence. Well, OK, more than one.
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08-22-2011, 07:06 AM	#7
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL That was one long, rambling, jumbled sentence. Well, OK, more than one. I didnt know this was english class
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08-22-2011, 04:38 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by VillainAgain I didnt know this was english class The comma police are watching you man...

08-22-2011, 04:59 PM	#9
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by VillainAgain I didnt know this was english class Nah not class, merely an observation. I'm not qualified to be an English teacher. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn express last night! Memnoch_TP and VillainAgain like this.
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08-25-2011, 05:02 AM	#10
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by VillainAgain I didnt know this was english class I didn't know this was English class. SapperSaint likes this.

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