Defense still a work in progress

mighty12 · 08-29-2011, 08:37 AM

I believe Shanle played his way off the team. He couldn't shed blocks, missed tackles, and lacked instinct in coverage. Casillias looked good. Make the move Sean.

Cruize · 08-29-2011, 09:33 AM

I think Wilson, Vilma, and Cassilas should be the starting trio at linebacker. The Saints need the speed and the playmaking abilities of Wilson and Cassilas out there. The occasional mistake made by the young guys will be more than made up for by the plays the make.

73Saint · 08-29-2011, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

I thought complementary football meant that when your offense just made a long, time consuming drive for a TD, that your defense should come out blazing and stuff the opponent. Especially on the first drive. This is the Raidaz and no way should they score 20 points on us.

Marlboro Man, nothing you say is registering with me, except your avatar...
Just sayin'...

hitta · 08-29-2011, 10:23 AM

Anyone else feel a somewhat slightly disappointed by the middle of our d-line so far. I'd imagine that they are still trying to gel, but still, they've been somewhat behind my expectations.

FinSaint · 08-29-2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Well, the vanilla first string defense has gotten it's ass kicked two weeks in a row now. Sugar coat it how you want, they have sucked

Yeah, and it was Vilma himself (I think) who said in an interview that the vanilla D is the core of the D and that is when the defense should be at its best or at its most solid, because all other D packages and schemes have their foundation in the vanilla D.

SaintsBro · 08-29-2011, 10:51 AM

I am very skeptical of this D. The offense looks good, when they're picking on rookies and going for it on 4th down practically every single time. But with the starters in, we were basically in a shootout with an 8-8 team that didn't have most of their main offensive weapons. Has this defense made a STOP or taken a STAND yet in preseason, against starters, other than San Francisco, who were just plain TURRIBLE on offense (and when everyone on both squads had just put the uniforms and pads back on, for the first time in months). Except for Jenkins' nice play in the end zone, I scratch my head and can't think of one single instance this preseason where I was really liking what I saw in the D, or where they dictated the game or made a "statement." We have our first three games against three really good offensive teams. Not a good sign.

Mardigras9 · 08-29-2011, 10:54 AM

I agree, Defense is still unproven. Offense looked better, but did have to have several 4th down conversions against the raiders D. Hopefully, they get it together and make there statement Sept 8.

SaintPauly · 08-29-2011, 12:46 PM

Let's also remember that the Raiders were 2nd in rushing offense last year. Not an excuse, just a fact. Missed tackles was the biggest problems last night. No excuse for that. That's basic fundamentals.

I agree that Shanle looked terrible last night. He was getting knocked on his butt whole game....

homerj07 · 08-29-2011, 01:50 PM

Screens frippen killed us!! Arm tackles suck

NOW - on Jone's TD there were 2 amazingly obvious holds that did NOT get called!! I continually saw infractins (on both sides) not called!!

FinSaint · 08-29-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Screens frippen killed us!! Arm tackles suck

NOW - on Jone's TD there were 2 amazingly obvious holds that did NOT get called!! I continually saw infractins (on both sides) not called!!

I felt the same way, but maybe it was all due to the fact that the officiating crew was not intact. Two of the judges were last minute replacements from the crew that officiated the SF game the day before. Maybe they missed some calls because they weren't totally comfortable working together as a team.

08-29-2011, 09:33 AM	#22
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	I think Wilson, Vilma, and Cassilas should be the starting trio at linebacker. The Saints need the speed and the playmaking abilities of Wilson and Cassilas out there. The occasional mistake made by the young guys will be more than made up for by the plays the make.
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08-29-2011, 10:13 AM	#23
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man I thought complementary football meant that when your offense just made a long, time consuming drive for a TD, that your defense should come out blazing and stuff the opponent. Especially on the first drive. This is the Raidaz and no way should they score 20 points on us. Marlboro Man, nothing you say is registering with me, except your avatar... Just sayin'... Budsdrinker likes this.

08-29-2011, 10:23 AM	#24
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Anyone else feel a somewhat slightly disappointed by the middle of our d-line so far. I'd imagine that they are still trying to gel, but still, they've been somewhat behind my expectations.
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08-29-2011, 10:41 AM	#25
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Well, the vanilla first string defense has gotten it's ass kicked two weeks in a row now. Sugar coat it how you want, they have sucked Yeah, and it was Vilma himself (I think) who said in an interview that the vanilla D is the core of the D and that is when the defense should be at its best or at its most solid, because all other D packages and schemes have their foundation in the vanilla D.

08-29-2011, 02:02 PM	#30
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by homerj07 Screens frippen killed us!! Arm tackles suck NOW - on Jone's TD there were 2 amazingly obvious holds that did NOT get called!! I continually saw infractins (on both sides) not called!! I felt the same way, but maybe it was all due to the fact that the officiating crew was not intact. Two of the judges were last minute replacements from the crew that officiated the SF game the day before. Maybe they missed some calls because they weren't totally comfortable working together as a team.

08-29-2011, 08:37 AM	#21
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	I believe Shanle played his way off the team. He couldn't shed blocks, missed tackles, and lacked instinct in coverage. Casillias looked good. Make the move Sean.

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08-29-2011, 10:51 AM	#26
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I am very skeptical of this D. The offense looks good, when they're picking on rookies and going for it on 4th down practically every single time. But with the starters in, we were basically in a shootout with an 8-8 team that didn't have most of their main offensive weapons. Has this defense made a STOP or taken a STAND yet in preseason, against starters, other than San Francisco, who were just plain TURRIBLE on offense (and when everyone on both squads had just put the uniforms and pads back on, for the first time in months). Except for Jenkins' nice play in the end zone, I scratch my head and can't think of one single instance this preseason where I was really liking what I saw in the D, or where they dictated the game or made a "statement." We have our first three games against three really good offensive teams. Not a good sign.

08-29-2011, 10:54 AM	#27
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	I agree, Defense is still unproven. Offense looked better, but did have to have several 4th down conversions against the raiders D. Hopefully, they get it together and make there statement Sept 8.

08-29-2011, 12:46 PM	#28
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Let's also remember that the Raiders were 2nd in rushing offense last year. Not an excuse, just a fact. Missed tackles was the biggest problems last night. No excuse for that. That's basic fundamentals. I agree that Shanle looked terrible last night. He was getting knocked on his butt whole game....

08-29-2011, 01:50 PM	#29
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Screens frippen killed us!! Arm tackles suck NOW - on Jone's TD there were 2 amazingly obvious holds that did NOT get called!! I continually saw infractins (on both sides) not called!!

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