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hitta 09-09-2011 06:44 PM

When he said he thought the Saints would go 2-14, that was a good point to quit arguing with him. The Saints would win more than 2 games if Sean Canfield was our starting QB.

jeanpierre 09-09-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 328118)
I say we really can't judge yet... But I still have the grade as a A for now.

Cam Jordan, just have not seen him do anything yet. Hell I never even heard his name being called either.

The point of the thread was that last night's game demonstrates that you don't geaux annointing someone "Executive of the Year" until you've seen the product during the season...

My past and current criticism of Loomis is because I try to look at the total picture rather than this signing or that draft pick...

Loomis has done some good things such as hiring Sean Payton...

Now, I've been a fan of Bush, but as many of you have posted, he's been a huge disappointment for many - and some of that criticism is rightfully cited.
Well, Loomis was in the room for that.

And why do we praise Loomis for picking Colston in Round 7 when all teams missed for six-plus previous rounds of picks and because he came up lotto in round 7, Loomis gets "Executive of the Year" - that just makes me scratch my head...

There were some obvious signings this year that made alot of sense and look good on paper; but where were the Outside Linebackers and Left Tackle splashes? We were fortunate Kreutz fell into our laps. See, it's a glass empty/full kinda thing.

papz 09-09-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328516)
The point of the thread was that last night's game demonstrates that you don't geaux annointing someone "Executive of the Year" until you've seen the product during the season...

I don't believe anyone anointed him preseason Executive of the Year. If so, please feel free to link it back to that thread. The fact of the matter is, he has been given that award yet to continue to criticism and call him an idiot.

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My past and current criticism of Loomis is because I try to look at the total picture rather than this signing or that draft pick...
Wait for it... wait for it...

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Now, I've been a fan of Bush, but as many of you have posted, he's been a huge disappointment for many - and some of that criticism is rightfully cited.
Well, Loomis was in the room for that.

And why do we praise Loomis for picking Colston in Round 7 when all teams missed for six-plus previous rounds of picks and because he came up lotto in round 7, Loomis gets "Executive of the Year" - that just makes me scratch my head...
You see anything wrong with post? You contradicted yourself.

If you truly were looking at the total picture, you'd take off your anti-Loomis badge off your chest and start acknowledge all the good things he's done here... and it's a lot.

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There were some obvious signings this year that made alot of sense and look good on paper; but where were the Outside Linebackers and Left Tackle splashes? We were fortunate Kreutz fell into our laps. See, it's a glass empty/full kinda thing.
We drafted a very promising OLB, brought in Herring who they obviously felt could contribute, drafted a promising Charles Brown, and retained a SuperBowl starting/winning LT in Jermon Bushrod. We were fortunate Kreutz fell into our laps? What discounting Loomis for getting him down and under contract for less money elsewhere? Typical. It's half full for you jp, you wear that badge proud.

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Loomis has done some good things such as hiring Sean Payton...
That's the only thing that we'd agree on... since you fail to recognize everything else.

jeanpierre 09-09-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 328539)
You see anything wrong with post? You contradicted yourself.

What?

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading Comprehension?

How did I contradict myself?

You seem to read more into a post than what is posted.

And why so sensitive to Loomis? Do you wash his car? Caddy his clubs? His intern at Saints headquarters?

Since when is it so offensive to question his moves?

This is the United States of America. Free Speech.

I simply pointed out that he's got as many blunders as credits...

papz 09-09-2011 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328541)
What?

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading Comprehension?

I hit a nerve? Want me to re-shine your badge for you?

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How did I contradict myself?

You seem to read more into a post than what is posted.
I read that at face value.

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading comprehension?

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And why so sensitive to Loomis? Do you wash his car? Caddy his clubs? His intern at Saints headquarters?
Nah, I just don't like it when bias and spoiled Saints fan rag on him for ridiculous reasons when all he has done is turn this franchise around.

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Since when is it so offensive to question his moves?

This is the United States of America. Free Speech.
It is free speech. Is anyone hindering your ability to whine? Not me.

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I simply pointed out that he's got as many blunders as credits...
Incorrect... take off your blinders.

An NFC Championship game, multiple winning seasons, a Superbowl ring, the acquistion of a franchise changing quarterback, hiring one of the best HC's in the league, one of the top DC's in the league, the drafting of two All Pro type guards, one of the biggest 7th round steals in recent memory, a Pro Bowl safety, another future all pro FS, the signing of Jabari Greer who helped us win a Superbowl, a drafting of Porter won us a Superbowl, numerous of discounted free agency steals, being one of the top cap-ologist in the league, the numerous impact UDFA signings like Lance Moore and Pierre Thomas, so on and so forth... and that's just off the top of my head.

So clearly, like you mentioned earlier... you like to look at the whole entire picture. There's obviously no unwarranted anti-Loomis bias working here... you just call it like you see. You realist you. Continue to wear that badge loud and proud my friend... lookin' sharp as always.

MorningWood 09-09-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328541)
What?

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading Comprehension?

How did I contradict myself?

You seem to read more into a post than what is posted.

And why so sensitive to Loomis? Do you wash his car? Caddy his clubs? His intern at Saints headquarters?

Since when is it so offensive to question his moves?

This is the United States of America. Free Speech.

I simply pointed out that he's got as many blunders as credits...


Do you understand that the right to free speech is a protection from the government? There is no government agency here, just a bunch of Saints' fans on a private forum. The right to free speech does not protect you from us calling you a titty baby when you act like one.

Titty baby.


(Man, it's been a long time since I have even heard that term used, but it certainly does fit).

st thomas 09-09-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BnamedLater (Post 328213)
No. I've been a fan since 1967 and a season ticket holder since the late 80s. I didn't want to bore everyone by listing the contents of every package for 20+ years. I think 2005 and 2006 are probably the most telling. Some of us didn't give up on the them. That doesn't make me some kind of eternal optimist though. The Saints are what they are.

dude i've been a fan since 67 also at 9 years old. but today u can go internet and get all that banner stuff, and i was in tiger stadium for most of the games so don't mock this board because some other people were there too okay. thanks, S.T.

jeanpierre 09-09-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 328588)
I hit a nerve? Want me to re-shine your badge for you?



I read that at face value.

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading comprehension?



Nah, I just don't like it when bias and spoiled Saints fan rag on him for ridiculous reasons when all he has done is turn this franchise around.



It is free speech. Is anyone hindering your ability to whine? Not me.



Incorrect... take off your blinders.

An NFC Championship game, multiple winning seasons, a Superbowl ring, the acquistion of a franchise changing quarterback, hiring one of the best HC's in the league, one of the top DC's in the league, the drafting of two All Pro type guards, one of the biggest 7th round steals in recent memory, a Pro Bowl safety, another future all pro FS, the signing of Jabari Greer who helped us win a Superbowl, a drafting of Porter won us a Superbowl, numerous of discounted free agency steals, being one of the top cap-ologist in the league, the numerous impact UDFA signings like Lance Moore and Pierre Thomas, so on and so forth... and that's just off the top of my head.

So clearly, like you mentioned earlier... you like to look at the whole entire picture. There's obviously no unwarranted anti-Loomis bias working here... you just call it like you see. You realist you. Continue to wear that badge loud and proud my friend... lookin' sharp as always.

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Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 328609)
Do you understand that the right to free speech is a protection from the government? There is no government agency here, just a bunch of Saints' fans on a private forum. The right to free speech does not protect you from us calling you a titty baby when you act like one.

Titty baby.


(Man, it's been a long time since I have even heard that term used, but it certainly does fit).

Boy some of these lines seem to indicate it's a special time of the month...

Some of these posts indicate a few people should get a room or something...

You don't like it, make an argument against it; some people take this stuff way too personal...

Must be a shortcoming or something outside of cyberspace...

strato 09-09-2011 10:57 PM

:popcorn:

MorningWood 09-09-2011 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328623)
Boy some of these lines seem to indicate it's a special time of the month...

Some of these posts indicate a few people should get a room or something...

You don't like it, make an argument against it; some people take this stuff way too personal...

Must be a shortcoming or something outside of cyberspace...


But I already know it would be a complete waste of time to argue with you about Loomis. I am assuming you follow the team and are not ignorant of how far this team has come under him.

You are just spoiled. There is nothing I can do about that (other than point and laugh).

jeanpierre 09-10-2011 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 328639)
But I already know it would be a complete waste of time to argue with you about Loomis. I am assuming you follow the team and are not ignorant of how far this team has come under him.

You are just spoiled. There is nothing I can do about that (other than point and laugh).

He hired Payton; that was his big break and the team is better for it...

Giving him credit for all the success of the franchise is like giving Ugh the Neanderthal credit for the Porsche, the Space Shuttle, and Hooters just because he started it all off with the discovery of fire...

subguy 09-10-2011 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BnamedLater (Post 328100)
Based on what we saw last night, he traded Andrew Luck for mark ingram. I have to go with "idiot".

:poke:

papz 09-10-2011 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328623)
Boy some of these lines seem to indicate it's a special time of the month...

Special time of the month for what? To prove you have no clue what you're talking about as always?

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Some of these posts indicate a few people should get a room or something...

You don't like it, make an argument against it; some people take this stuff way too personal...
Isn't that just what I did? Wait... isn't that just what I do as always?

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Must be a shortcoming or something outside of cyberspace...
:confused: Makes no sense... but why am I not surprised?

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He hired Payton; that was his big break and the team is better for it...

Giving him credit for all the success of the franchise is like giving Ugh the Neanderthal credit for the Porsche, the Space Shuttle, and Hooters just because he started it all off with the discovery of fire...
Wait wait wait... once again, please stop jumping to conclusions and putting words in people's mouth.

No one is giving him the medal of honor in single handidly turning this franchise around. It's a collective effort of everyone in this organization to turn this franchise around. While Loomis has had a big contribution in that process, no one is discounting the fact everyone else has played a big part in it.

So going back to your lame attempt to dummy me down...

Where did you learn English? Composition? Reading comprehension?


Opps I did it again...


Wear it loud and proud jp... loud and proud.

Saint_LB 09-10-2011 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BnamedLater (Post 328160)
No point in making an internet bet with some anonymous person but just for fun, let's hear your prediction and then we can take this up in January.

OK...I really don't like to and never have made an internet bet. The only time I would even suggest such a thing would be if I thought I had a "sure thing"...and I think this is about as close to a sure thing that I've seen in a while.

My prediction? I have already made it...at least in my mind. I am predicting they will win more than 2 games. Pretty simple.

I will go one step further and speculate that even if we did go the whole year only winning 2 games...and even if we did still have our 1st round pick...it wouldn't be Andrew Luck.

hagan714 09-10-2011 05:13 AM

90% i still like

5% I am waiting to pass judgement

5% Have not changed my mind. WTF is still my feelings

MorningWood 09-10-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328649)
He hired Payton; that was his big break and the team is better for it...

Giving him credit for all the success of the franchise is like giving Ugh the Neanderthal credit for the Porsche, the Space Shuttle, and Hooters just because he started it all off with the discovery of fire...


As if he hasn't done a damn thing since hiring SP.

homerj07 09-10-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BnamedLater (Post 328100)
Based on what we saw last night, he traded Andrew Luck for mark ingram. I have to go with "idiot".

Its 1 game!! Dont pull the triger. If you do know it all - know that it is just one game!! Calm down. If they play like this against Chicago or are still playig like this when Will SMith is back - maybe then we pull the klaxon alarm!!


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