Sean Payton and short yardage plays

hitta · 09-09-2011, 07:04 PM

I've been thinking this a while. Sean Payton may be the best play caller in the league, but he has a problem calling short yardage plays properly. I think it has something to do with how his mind works. He's so expansive with how he sets up his plays that when it's like 4th and 1 he's baffled with how to just pick up one yard. The funny thing is that our conversion percentage would probably be higher if we treated 4th down as if it was 2nd down. The plays become ultra-conservative and highly predictable.

Danno · 09-09-2011, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I've been thinking this a while. Sean Payton may be the best play caller in the league, but he has a problem calling short yardage plays properly. I think it has something to do with how his mind works. He's so expansive with how he sets up his plays that when it's like 4th and 1 he's baffled with how to just pick up one yard. The funny thing is that our conversion percentage would probably be higher if we treated 4th down as if it was 2nd down. The plays become ultra-conservative and highly predictable.

Absolutely correct. He gets the anti-virus.

jeanpierre · 09-09-2011, 07:43 PM

I'll say this, after watching the First & Goal @ the GB 1 (Last Play), I wouldn't have Carl Nicks pulling and trapping; I'd have our guards and center blasting straight ahead...

neugey · 09-09-2011, 11:08 PM

Just take a look at GB and Kuhn. We need to get the FB involved in the run game. Getting the QB, FB and even the WR's on reverses into the running game keeps these 3-4 LB's from totally reading the play and teeing off on our tailbacks.

On 4th and inches, we need to get a clue and do the sane thing - get up to the line quick and QB sneak. I bet the chances of getting the first on a QB sneak are well above 90%. Every sane team at high school level and above considers this, but instead we futz around and call a time-out and then pass the ball or call some other scatter-brained play after giving their D time to settle in. Fix this one little problem and we likely win last night's game and maybe 1-2 more from last year. Aargh!!!

st thomas · 09-09-2011, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Just take a look at GB and Kuhn. We need to get the FB involved in the run game. Getting the QB, FB and even the WR's on reverses into the running game keeps these 3-4 LB's from totally reading the play and teeing off on our tailbacks.

On 4th and inches, we need to get a clue and do the sane thing - get up to the line quick and QB sneak. I bet the chances of getting the first on a QB sneak are well above 90%. Every sane team at high school level and above considers this, but instead we futz around and call a time-out and then pass the ball or call some other scatter-brained play after giving their D time to settle in. Fix this one little problem and we likely win last night's game and maybe 1-2 more from last year. Aargh!!!

i have to agree, we like never do anything else on 3rd or 4 and a foot. its off right guard or tackle. we should have blasted behind the all pro center.

Beastmode · 09-09-2011, 11:37 PM

I'm under the notion that on 4th and short you always want the play dictated by your best players like when Ricky Williams ran behind Roaf.
Our strength first and foremost is Brees and our receivers. Put it in their hands.

saintsfan1976 · 09-10-2011, 09:16 AM

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It's not the call, it's the execution (or lack thereof)

strato · 09-10-2011, 09:38 AM

Playaction or a bootleg would have got that td...GB was playing run all the way...

homerj07 · 09-10-2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

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It's not the call, it's the execution (or lack thereof)

Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20!!

strato · 09-10-2011, 10:56 AM

I think he gets the virus

09-09-2011, 07:04 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Sean Payton and short yardage plays I've been thinking this a while. Sean Payton may be the best play caller in the league, but he has a problem calling short yardage plays properly. I think it has something to do with how his mind works. He's so expansive with how he sets up his plays that when it's like 4th and 1 he's baffled with how to just pick up one yard. The funny thing is that our conversion percentage would probably be higher if we treated 4th down as if it was 2nd down. The plays become ultra-conservative and highly predictable.
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09-09-2011, 07:06 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by hitta I've been thinking this a while. Sean Payton may be the best play caller in the league, but he has a problem calling short yardage plays properly. I think it has something to do with how his mind works. He's so expansive with how he sets up his plays that when it's like 4th and 1 he's baffled with how to just pick up one yard. The funny thing is that our conversion percentage would probably be higher if we treated 4th down as if it was 2nd down. The plays become ultra-conservative and highly predictable. Absolutely correct. He gets the anti-virus.

09-09-2011, 11:19 PM	#5
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by neugey Just take a look at GB and Kuhn. We need to get the FB involved in the run game. Getting the QB, FB and even the WR's on reverses into the running game keeps these 3-4 LB's from totally reading the play and teeing off on our tailbacks. On 4th and inches, we need to get a clue and do the sane thing - get up to the line quick and QB sneak. I bet the chances of getting the first on a QB sneak are well above 90%. Every sane team at high school level and above considers this, but instead we futz around and call a time-out and then pass the ball or call some other scatter-brained play after giving their D time to settle in. Fix this one little problem and we likely win last night's game and maybe 1-2 more from last year. Aargh!!! i have to agree, we like never do anything else on 3rd or 4 and a foot. its off right guard or tackle. we should have blasted behind the all pro center.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	I'm under the notion that on 4th and short you always want the play dictated by your best players like when Ricky Williams ran behind Roaf. Our strength first and foremost is Brees and our receivers. Put it in their hands.
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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Just take a look at GB and Kuhn. We need to get the FB involved in the run game. Getting the QB, FB and even the WR's on reverses into the running game keeps these 3-4 LB's from totally reading the play and teeing off on our tailbacks. On 4th and inches, we need to get a clue and do the sane thing - get up to the line quick and QB sneak. I bet the chances of getting the first on a QB sneak are well above 90%. Every sane team at high school level and above considers this, but instead we futz around and call a time-out and then pass the ball or call some other scatter-brained play after giving their D time to settle in. Fix this one little problem and we likely win last night's game and maybe 1-2 more from last year. Aargh!!!

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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Playaction or a bootleg would have got that td...GB was playing run all the way...

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homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 . It's not the call, it's the execution (or lack thereof) Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20!!

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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I think he gets the virus

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