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Marlboro Man 09-11-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 328827)
Cant cover period...good against the run..thats it http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../deadhorse.gif

Not even that good against the run. Actually watch him play. He constantly takes bad angles to the ball carrier, QB, whoever. He arm tackles a lot and gets lucky to get just enough to trip the guy up. He rarely hits a guy straight on with power. A lot of people just listen to what others say and repeat it thinking he's all that. Go back to 09 and actually watch games. Watch how many times he fills the hole, is the only player there and completely whiffs on the tackle. This guy needs to be replaced. In coverage, even when he's right there, he misses the ball and the receiver makes the catch, over and over again. Stop listening to what others are spouting and actuall watch this guy play. He leaves a LOT to be desired. How many safties intercept the ball (when he actually makes a catch) and get run down from behind by the QB? Really.:pissed:

SaintsRule11 09-11-2011 11:14 PM

If there is a problem I would say it's a systemic problem that is not tied to Roman Harper, but rather to Gregg Williams. Williams told everyone how completely indispensible Roman Harper was and how Patrick Robinson was going to be so improved. I saw no evidence of this whatsoever in the Packers game and this is two games in a row now where Harper and Robinson have been abused and our defense has been torched for more than 40 points!

Pete 09-11-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 329250)
What position do you think he plays? DT? :bng:

lol Got a good laugh out of that one man

foreverfan 09-11-2011 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 329251)
He is a FS

No he's unemployed. :doh:


Harper = The New "Shanle" ?

Crusader 09-12-2011 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 329268)
No he's unemployed. :doh:


Harper = The New "Shanle" ?

Sure sounds like it. He could also be called the new Jason Davids, or Tebucky Jones, or Devery Henderson, Reggie Bush or whoever. Seems like there always need to be atleast one guy that the fans can use as a scapegoat and throw some hate at.

AlaskaSaints 09-12-2011 03:45 AM

:yawn:

I been sayin'...

Alaska

strato 09-12-2011 08:15 AM

But we payed him all that money?...and we didn't get no hometown discount:rolleyes:

FinSaint 09-12-2011 09:05 AM

If the Saints played Sharper as the SS - which would be a mistake in my mind - it would probably just reverse the situation: he'd be better in coverage, but worse against the rush and creating pressure.

If we would need to find him a position to play, it'd probably be as the FS while moving Jenkins to SS, which again would not be ideal.

There simply isn't a starting spot for him in the Saints' roster, barring any injuries. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a backup and a mentor to the younger players, but it would have to be with a discount because he doesn't contribute to the special teams.

strato 09-12-2011 09:09 AM

Yep it shifted from Bush...to Harper..lol

Danno 09-12-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 329302)
Yep it shifted from Bush...to Harper..lol

Yep, and you were wrong about both. lol

strato 09-12-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 329304)
Yep, and you were wrong about both. lol


Harper seems to be reinforcing what i said months ago...and people are starting to see that...For someone who thinks B&G is ignorant ..that activity level is pretty high..:rolleyes:

alexonfyre 09-12-2011 09:40 AM

This thread is absurd and I'm slightly embarrassed that I had actually had a comment about this before I deleted it.

strato 09-12-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alexonfyre (Post 329311)
This thread is absurd and I'm slightly embarrassed that I had actually had a comment about this before I deleted it.


Whats absurd is we didn't bring back Sharper and gave Harper all that money...that's a real headscratcher...maybe we sign him this week to sure up our secondary..:bng:

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Danno 09-12-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 329308)
Harper seems to be reinforcing what i said months ago...and people are starting to see that...For someone who thinks B&G is ignorant ..that activity level is pretty high..:rolleyes:

I didn't mean everyone, only a select few.;)

saintfan 09-12-2011 11:26 AM

Die thread. Please die.

jeanpierre 09-12-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 329304)
Yep, and you were wrong about both. lol

I don't agree, but I have to snicker

strato 09-12-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 329261)
Not even that good against the run. Actually watch him play. He constantly takes bad angles to the ball carrier, QB, whoever. He arm tackles a lot and gets lucky to get just enough to trip the guy up. He rarely hits a guy straight on with power. A lot of people just listen to what others say and repeat it thinking he's all that. Go back to 09 and actually watch games. Watch how many times he fills the hole, is the only player there and completely whiffs on the tackle. This guy needs to be replaced. In coverage, even when he's right there, he misses the ball and the receiver makes the catch, over and over again. Stop listening to what others are spouting and actuall watch this guy play. He leaves a LOT to be desired. How many safties intercept the ball (when he actually makes a catch) and get run down from behind by the QB? Really.:pissed:

The man speaks the gospel...lol

Choupique 09-12-2011 02:01 PM

One game into the season and some folks seem ready to bail out on players that our COACH has faith in?

Loyalty is more than a word. Say it slowly.


To all the fairweather fans...
Move to Atlanta. I'll pay for the moving trucks.

foreverfan 09-12-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 329356)
The man speaks the gospel...lol

Oh no you don't... Marlboro Man's comments won't bail you out. ;)

foreverfan 09-12-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 329300)
If the Saints played Sharper as the SS - which would be a mistake in my mind - it would probably just reverse the situation: he'd be better in coverage, but worse against the rush and creating pressure.

If we would need to find him a position to play, it'd probably be as the FS while moving Jenkins to SS, which again would not be ideal.

There simply isn't a starting spot for him in the Saints' roster, barring any injuries. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a backup and a mentor to the younger players, but it would have to be with a discount because he doesn't contribute to the special teams.

This is a joke, right? :doh:

papz 09-12-2011 08:29 PM

It isn't actually. Sharper struggled at SS(as a Viking) when he was moved there full time and flourished when he returned to FS as a Saint. Can he play SS? Sure... but he has a Pro Bowler in front of him blocking his path. If healthy, and we when feel he's can help us, I definitely think we should bring him in. We do a lot of 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 sets also... Jenkins can play anywhere and there would be plenty of snaps for everyone.

jeanpierre 09-12-2011 09:35 PM

Some of the better pass defense days was With Sharper at Free Safety and Jenkins at Strong Safety last season...

Danno 09-12-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 329532)
Some of the better pass defense days was With Sharper at Free Safety and Jenkins at Strong Safety last season...

Thats nonsense.

Which games?

papz 09-12-2011 09:49 PM

Nickel sounds more like it.

saintfan 09-12-2011 10:42 PM

Die, evil thread die...

CantonLegend 09-12-2011 10:50 PM

this thread is a joke. finley had 3 catches...only 3 catches the entire game. the rookie wideout ran an underneath route when harper was playing a deep zone.

when did harper play poorly? what exactly has he done to warrant all this hate?

nothing

you guys just dont know why we lose or what goes wrong on certain plays so you find someone to blame. danno is right...its ignorance

strato 09-12-2011 11:33 PM

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal.../morestead.jpg

Pete 09-12-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 329569)

We should've gotten two punter's for what we gave up for him :smile:(sarcasm)


Dude's the best punter I ever remember punting for the Black and Gold!:bng:

strato 09-12-2011 11:58 PM

We got a punter and kickoff specialist ....he could probably kick field goals if needed...lol

strato 09-12-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 329532)
Some of the better pass defense days was With Sharper at Free Safety and Jenkins at Strong Safety last season...


This could work ..Jenkins hits like a mack truck and can cover...make it happen Loomis.:D

FinSaint 09-13-2011 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 329514)
This is a joke, right? :doh:


To this... http://www.psykiatri-regionh.dk/NR/r...gerivejret.JPG


This... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u6WctEQV_h...0/pointing.jpg


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Originally Posted by papz (Post 329518)
It isn't actually. Sharper struggled at SS(as a Viking) when he was moved there full time and flourished when he returned to FS as a Saint. Can he play SS? Sure... but he has a Pro Bowler in front of him blocking his path. If healthy, and we when feel he's can help us, I definitely think we should bring him in. We do a lot of 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 sets also... Jenkins can play anywhere and there would be plenty of snaps for everyone.


Still, I wouldn't mind him in the nickel or as a backup, but Harper and Jenkins are the starters and I'm fine with that.

FinSaint 09-13-2011 02:42 AM

The never dying thread. http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/fun/m0126.gif


http://www.filmesraridades.com.br/lo...r-poster05.jpg

Danno 09-13-2011 07:21 AM

Wow, must be a whole lotta crappy SS's that can't cover TE's in this league.


NFL Tight End Receiving
Player Team G Rec Yds
Jason Witten - DAL - 1 - 6 - 110
Fred Davis WAS - 1 - 5 - 105
Aaron Hernandez NE - 1 - 7 - 103
Rob Gronkowski NE - 1 - 6 - 86
Anthony Fasano MIA - 1 - 5 - 82
Greg Olsen CAR - 1 - 4 - 78
Antonio Gates SD - 1 - 8 - 74
Tony Gonzalez ATL - 1 - 5 - 72
Kellen Winslow TB - 1 - 6 - 66
Scott Chandler BUF - 1 - 5 - 63
Dustin Keller NYJ - 1 - 5 - 61
Jeff King ARI - 1 - 2 - 61
Ed Dickson BAL - 1 - 5 - 59
Jake Ballard NYG - 1 - 2 - 59
Jermaine Gresham CIN - 1 - 6 - 58
Brandon Pettigrew DET - 1 - 4 - 57
Jimmy Graham NO - 1 - 4 - 56
Jermichael Finley GB - 1 - 3 - 53
Jeremy Shockey CAR - 1 - 3 - 51
Vernon Davis SF - 1 - 5 - 47
Benjamin Watson CLE - 1 - 3 - 45
Dennis Pitta BAL - 1 - 2 - 45
Heath Miller PIT - 1 - 3 - 42
Todd Heap ARI - 1 - 2 - 40

foreverfan 09-13-2011 08:04 AM

Jimmy Graham only 3 catches for 53 yards? He sucks. We should have never cut Shockey.
I'd trade a 3rd go get him back right now. :rolleyes:

Oh wait, Shockey didn't even do as good as Graham. Can he play SS?

Danno 09-13-2011 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 329601)
Jimmy Graham only 3 catches for 53 yards? He sucks. We should have never cut Shockey.
I'd trade a 3rd go get him back right now. :rolleyes:

Those are Finley's numbers. Graham actually had 4 catches for 56, which obviously means Green Bay's SS really sucks.

foreverfan 09-13-2011 08:09 AM

Now Hear This...

GREEN BAY'S SS SUCKS!!!

http://www.jarnot.com/IMAGES/ren_n_stimpy.gif

saintfan 09-13-2011 01:40 PM

http://files.sharenator.com/Thread_C...x371-97014.jpg


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