ELI????
 

Did you mean \"Peon Manning\"? lol

ELI????
 

LMAO.........Exactly!! :P

ELI????
 

What exactly is your take on Manning Billy? The guy is a loser? That\'s your take and you want me to argue that? Please clarify.

ELI????
 

The evidence is all there WhoDat. Do you need me to post it twice? I\'ll just assume since you are steering clear of the evidence that you can\'t argue it. That\'s what I\'ll do. Yep!!

Maybe you need to recruit some D.A.M.N. members to assist you?

Seriously though, all I ask is to judge Peyton like you do Brooks. I don\'t think you will. Prove me wrong and I\'ll eat those words.

ELI????
 

Uh.... Isn\'t this ALL about Brooks?
Isn\'t the Brooks crowds entire argument that we\'re better off with Brooks than with a Manning?
Isn\'t the core of the argument that Brooks is a \"winner\" while the Mannings are \"losers\"?
But if Peyton is such a loser, then how does the Brooks-luvin crowd explain away the 55-21 whipping the Colts laid on the Saints? How is it that Peyton played 3 flawless quarters and Brooks fumbled twice and threw 2 picks?

ELI????
 

D.A.M.N\'s leader has spoken. A moment of silence please!! ...................................................................................................................................................................................

Now, I ask this one simple question to ALL the DAMN members.

Has Peyton Mannning choked in the playoffs EVERY YEAR? And, isn\'t it also true that he choked in college too? The prosecution rests !!

[Edited on 30/1/2004 by BillyC]

ELI????
 

Yeah the 2 picks Brooks threw in the 34-16 playoff loss to the Vikings couldn\'t be called choking under any circumstances.

ELI????
 

Answer the question or you\'ll be held in contempt.

Order in the court!! Order in the court!! -- :P

The judge has made a ruling!!

After hearing all the evidence I find that DAMN has been using unfair practices in their agenda to persuade members over to their side and are clearly acting in an
arbitrary and capricious manner.

As punishment I sentence all the DAMN members to serve one year in federal prison and it shall be served in the same cell as Martha Stewart. No more football for you!!


[Edited on 30/1/2004 by BillyC]

ELI????
 

OK Billy. I answer NO to your question. And as we all know the burden of proof is on YOU, not us. You want to accuse Peyton of something then you can\'t make a statement and then tell us or him to prove it wrong. SO, show some evidence or this case will get kicked out.

Is your contention that Manning hasn\'t made it to the Super Bowl yet, and thus, he\'s no better than Brooks? Does getting to the Super Bowl make a QB good? What exactly is your point about Manning? I ask you to clarify for the second time. Do me a favor and actaully make a statement this time rather than talk about how I won\'t raise and points to counter your ambiguous statements.

ELI????
 

WhoDat --

How many times must I make my case? For the last time:

Peyton Manning and Peyton Manning alone caused his team to be booted out of the playoffs EVERY year by throwing stupid interceptions.

It\'s an open and shut case!!

[Edited on 2/2/2004 by BillyC]

ELI????
 

Then by the same reasoning, Brooks caused the Saints to be \"booted out of the playoffs\" in his ONLY playoff appearance by throwing 2 stupid interceptions to the Vikings in a 34-16 loss?

Got to measure Brooks by the same yardstick you know.

ELI????
 

BMG --

Right now it\'s Peyton that\'s on trial. Do you admit Peyton caused his team to lose every year in the playoffs or not?

ELI????
 

I\'m still not sure why you\'re debating Peyton on a \"draft Eli\" thread. It seems like you\'re trying to smokescreen for Brooks.

But I would say that Peyton is a bit like Favre in that you can count on him to throw interceptions at bad times.

That being said however, I think the Colts lost the Jets because they didn\'t have a real ground game. The Jets knew that Peyton wasn\'t getting any running help, so they played the pass the entire game. Against the Patriots this year, I think that loss had more to do with the Patriot defense than any choking.

But I\'ll grant you, like Favre, Peyton will occassionally just melt down and throw enough picks to kill you. But I don\'t think that happened in every single playoff appearance.

But again, I have no idea why we\'re talking about Peyton when the issue in the thread is whether to draft Eli?

ELI????
 

Well that all depends Billy. How many dropped passes, penalties, and missed blocks were there. You know, according to YOU, those things hurt a TEAM just as much as a TURNOVER by the QB. So, if there were more than 4 turnovers, dropped passes, penalties, and missed blocks commited by the rest of the Colts TEAM then by the reasoning you used earlier this year to defend Brooks the answer is no. The TEAM let Manning down, not the other way around. Or, at least, that\'s the conclusion that would have to follow if we use YOUR logic.

Or, if you like, I\'ll answer yes to that question. I\'ll say that Peyton Manning is a choke artist and personally responsible for keeping the Colts out of the Super Bowl for the last three seasons. What then does it say about Brooks that you would TRADE BROOKS STRAIGHT UP FOR MANNING? Manning is a choke artist and he is personally responsible for keeping his team from going to the Super Bowl, BUT HE IS STILL A BETTER CHOICE THAN BROOKS. By your own admission.

Either way Billy, you\'re getting owned. I feel a BnB picture coming.