Our D: It is what it is

73Saint · 10-12-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The biggest difference is turnovers! In 09 we had 26 picks with 5 returned for TD. Sharper had 9 picks alone and we caught just about everything that hit our hands. Right now we have 3 and I see at least 2 drop picks every game. If I were GW I would make every DB spend an hour a day catching balls off the jugg!

You make a good point. I was mentioning this very thing to a friend Sunday right before the game. The plus/minus piece is huge, and we have to figure out a way to stop the "Missed Opportunities". Right off the bat, P-Rob makes a nice stab for a pick...and that's great. But then, later in the game, Shanle drops one right in the friggin bread basket, and a few plays later Carolina scores...and that sucks!

We have to try and minimize the missed opps, and take advantage of them when they come our way.

AlaskaSaints · 10-12-2011, 01:17 PM

That name keeps popping up...

Shanle.

Picture Jerry Seinfeld uttering his name in the manner of "Newman"!

But he's Benson's cousin's son, so...

Alaska

Euphoria · 10-12-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

GW is scheming with less than average talent.....it ain't his fault we can't tackle.(is it?)

Yes it is VERY much his fault. You can scheme and plan all you want but unless you instill the very basics of playing Defense then it is all for NOT.

One would think that once you got to the pro level you'll be well verse in all your fundamentals but it isn't true, you have to continue to develop and hone your skills.

Belair57 · 10-12-2011, 01:23 PM

I mean cmon...Prob didnt "Pick" that off...it was a gift , wrapped with a bow on it. Jason David could have picked that off. thats like saying Shanle ran someone down because hes sooo fast. Not knockin prob, becuase hes going to be good...but are we all forgeting how A. Rodgers TORCHED him, play after play after play after play after play, and the rest of our D....hes not all of a sudden a great player. neither are the Shanles of our D, when we play elite teams,this defense will struggle just like it did on opening night.

I really had high hopes for our D this offseason with all the moves, maybe thats why Im so bitter right now. I see the problem as being pretty simple. WE CANT GET PRESSURE WITHOUT THE BLITZ, so good teams will spread us out so we cant blitz. I mean look what the Jags tried to do.. they opened the game spreading us out, they just happen to suck so it wasnt all that productive.

someone please tell me why Shaun Rogers hasnt been what I thought he would be? I dont get it.

BIGEASY504 · 10-12-2011, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

That name keeps popping up...

Shanle.

Picture Jerry Seinfeld uttering his name in the manner of "Newman"!

But he's Benson's cousin's son, so...

Alaska

Benson's cousin's son WOW!!!!! if true that explains why we can't cut/trade or throw him away!!!!!1

strato · 10-12-2011, 01:36 PM

I tend to agree..but we did get pressure..the game comes on again tonight Im gonna watch it again...from what i saw the problem was we were playing a mobile QB and he would slide over or just flat out scramble...

I think our LBs need to contain the oustside just as much as we need to pressure the QB...im still wondering why we haven't tried using Junior G as a stand up OLB in a 3-4 set..we have Casillas who could help on one side and slide Dunbar and Vilma to the middle ..that gets Shanle off the field..I know Casillas is small ...but Harper might can help on run plays..I dunno..we just don't have the talent to do a lot of things we need to do...we need to get two stud LBs in the draft or free agency next in the worst kinda of way..

JMHO

papz · 10-12-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

GW is scheming with less than average talent.....it ain't his fault we can't tackle.(is it?)

I'd like to disagree with this also. There's plenty of talent on that front 7 and in our secondary. We just aren't performing. Both coaching and players are to blame... there's plenty to go around. It's a team effort.

darstep · 10-12-2011, 02:12 PM

I agree. I think we have good talent, just not getting what we need from them.
I could probably count Jordan-Franklin-Rogers-Ellis total tackles in 5 games on my fingers.
If not, I would be pretty close.

saintfan · 10-12-2011, 02:35 PM

I don't know if it's GW's fault that we can't tackle, but it certainly is his responsibility.

Nobody has been harder on the "D" than me, and like everybody else I am hopeful that it will improve as the season goes along.

I mean, you know, it better improve, otherwise teams will run the option on us to the tune of 27+ points a game...

homerj07 · 10-13-2011, 11:01 PM

More Ints & more FRs would mean better numbers across the board!!

10-12-2011, 01:02 PM	#11
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The biggest difference is turnovers! In 09 we had 26 picks with 5 returned for TD. Sharper had 9 picks alone and we caught just about everything that hit our hands. Right now we have 3 and I see at least 2 drop picks every game. If I were GW I would make every DB spend an hour a day catching balls off the jugg! You make a good point. I was mentioning this very thing to a friend Sunday right before the game. The plus/minus piece is huge, and we have to figure out a way to stop the "Missed Opportunities". Right off the bat, P-Rob makes a nice stab for a pick...and that's great. But then, later in the game, Shanle drops one right in the friggin bread basket, and a few plays later Carolina scores...and that sucks! We have to try and minimize the missed opps, and take advantage of them when they come our way. darstep likes this.

10-12-2011, 01:17 PM	#12
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	That name keeps popping up... Shanle. Picture Jerry Seinfeld uttering his name in the manner of "Newman"! But he's Benson's cousin's son, so... Alaska 73Saint likes this.

10-12-2011, 01:20 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II GW is scheming with less than average talent.....it ain't his fault we can't tackle.(is it?) Yes it is VERY much his fault. You can scheme and plan all you want but unless you instill the very basics of playing Defense then it is all for NOT. One would think that once you got to the pro level you'll be well verse in all your fundamentals but it isn't true, you have to continue to develop and hone your skills.

10-12-2011, 01:23 PM	#14
Belair57 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 848	I mean cmon...Prob didnt "Pick" that off...it was a gift , wrapped with a bow on it. Jason David could have picked that off. thats like saying Shanle ran someone down because hes sooo fast. Not knockin prob, becuase hes going to be good...but are we all forgeting how A. Rodgers TORCHED him, play after play after play after play after play, and the rest of our D....hes not all of a sudden a great player. neither are the Shanles of our D, when we play elite teams,this defense will struggle just like it did on opening night. I really had high hopes for our D this offseason with all the moves, maybe thats why Im so bitter right now. I see the problem as being pretty simple. WE CANT GET PRESSURE WITHOUT THE BLITZ, so good teams will spread us out so we cant blitz. I mean look what the Jags tried to do.. they opened the game spreading us out, they just happen to suck so it wasnt all that productive. someone please tell me why Shaun Rogers hasnt been what I thought he would be? I dont get it.
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10-12-2011, 01:34 PM	#15
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints That name keeps popping up... Shanle. Picture Jerry Seinfeld uttering his name in the manner of "Newman"! But he's Benson's cousin's son, so... Alaska Benson's cousin's son WOW!!!!! if true that explains why we can't cut/trade or throw him away!!!!!1
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10-12-2011, 01:36 PM	#16
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I tend to agree..but we did get pressure..the game comes on again tonight Im gonna watch it again...from what i saw the problem was we were playing a mobile QB and he would slide over or just flat out scramble... I think our LBs need to contain the oustside just as much as we need to pressure the QB...im still wondering why we haven't tried using Junior G as a stand up OLB in a 3-4 set..we have Casillas who could help on one side and slide Dunbar and Vilma to the middle ..that gets Shanle off the field..I know Casillas is small ...but Harper might can help on run plays..I dunno..we just don't have the talent to do a lot of things we need to do...we need to get two stud LBs in the draft or free agency next in the worst kinda of way.. JMHO

10-12-2011, 01:51 PM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II GW is scheming with less than average talent.....it ain't his fault we can't tackle.(is it?) I'd like to disagree with this also. There's plenty of talent on that front 7 and in our secondary. We just aren't performing. Both coaching and players are to blame... there's plenty to go around. It's a team effort.

10-12-2011, 02:12 PM	#18
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	I agree. I think we have good talent, just not getting what we need from them. I could probably count Jordan-Franklin-Rogers-Ellis total tackles in 5 games on my fingers. If not, I would be pretty close.

10-12-2011, 02:35 PM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I don't know if it's GW's fault that we can't tackle, but it certainly is his responsibility. Nobody has been harder on the "D" than me, and like everybody else I am hopeful that it will improve as the season goes along. I mean, you know, it better improve, otherwise teams will run the option on us to the tune of 27+ points a game...

10-13-2011, 11:01 PM	#20
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	More Ints & more FRs would mean better numbers across the board!!

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