Brees being sacked more this year than any other a Saint
 

Drew Brees suffered two QB hits, and two sacks (Or do I have this all wrong and the two QB hits actually were the two sacks? Does anyone know how that works? I ran the football stats crew in college, but we didn't do tackles.). Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brees never seemed to get flustered by the pressure, and even late in the game, when it was crunch time on that final drive, he was as calm and collected as I've ever seen him. Plus, his final stat line (32 of 45, 359 yards, 2 Tds, 1 INT, 100.1 rating) does not reflect that of a rattled quarterback

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This is not a shock..we let our center walk..right tackle..replace them with backups..its going to happen..plus i hate to say it ..but Shocking and Bush were good at blocking as well..

I am fairly certain both would buy their own plane tickets back to New Orleans.

Yep...

At least he is hitting the ground on the sack and not losing the ball.

4 hits is not a lot. Cutler gets hit 4X a quarter

We need to insure that the only time he's on the ground is during pregame warm up.

I wouldn't want to be Jay Cutler. He's on his back more that a Hooker.

We have probably one of the worst O-lines in Football and Brees is still able to put up astonishing numbers and remarkably remain healthy.
Something has to be done or we will not have him long.

I agree ..they are getting worse than the D-line...i think our O-line has been overrated for some time..as you say Drew makes them look way better than they are...

He is a qb who feels when his line has broken down, plus I think he knows that this line is not as good as ones that he has had in the past, and are banged up to boot. I would take the sacks that Drew takes over the sacks that Cutler takes anyday. This line is not that bad!!!

payton thinks the starters won't be out much longer.

I agree we don't have a great O line, but far from the worst...

Our line is not the best I've ever seen. I keep on wishing we had a line that rated up near the Cowboys line of the 90's...but...

Poor Jay Cutler. He just gets the hell knocked out of his self every damn week. Watching that line makes it hard to complain about ours.

Yeah, bears o-line make sieves file defamation suits.

Ours has issues, but cutler is q far more mobil qb. I wouldnt want to be his insurance carrier.

Seriously, just watched NFL Replay. Our oline did a better job this week than weeks past. Playcalling was more the issue. Panthers had Shockey feeding them calls, which showed several times when brees audibled.

kreutz nicks and evans make up the best interior in the league. PERIOD

our tackles are career backups. we traded away our all pro left tackle and cut our pro bowl right tackle.

right now we are starting 2 backups due to injuries and brees is still only getting sacked every 20 pass attempts which is pretty good.

just like last year tho, our problem isnt with protection. its got more to do with drew throwing 44 times per game

Well yeah.. we are the Saints a pass first team..that has nothing to do with giving up sacks..They have a job ..protect Drew very simple.

I'm glad he's taking th sacks instead of trying to force something, thus less interceptions this year. Best QB in the league, no question.

streif and bushrod are the starters this season. charles brown is the backup starting due to injuries

DLP is grading out terribly as our starting center

of course brown is playing right tackle. trent williams is a stud at LT. but brown is having a great year and the redskins are at the top of the east right now

just because we won a super bowl with bushrod does not make him any good. cant believe ur still trying to convince ppl that matters at all...especially me

fwiw our line is doing a fine job considering we lost stinchcomb and now 2 of our starters due to injuries

you make me laugh when you say stuff like the lines job is to protect drew so they need to do it. you really dont understand that when you pass more you get sacked more do you? yes its the lines job to block...you know who else has a job? the guy lined up acrossed from our linemen that are playing 70+ snaps and only hitting drew twice a game.

The problem seems to be with the tackles, because the Saints have two of the best guards in the league and as already stated, De La Puente has filled in nicely as the center - actually to the point that I'm not sure if I'd want Kreutz back, because DLP is much stouter in the middle while Kreutz got pushed around somewhat.

Losing Strief was bad, but Brown has filled in better than I expected, still naturally that isn't saying much. I think most would agree that during the FA frenzy majority of us would've liked to see Goodwin stay if it came down to him and Bushrod, but this is what the Saints have now and it won't get better until the next draft and/or FA period.

Still, I don't think that the O-Line is as bad as some have stated - they're clearly not the best in the league, but still in the upper half. Additionally, I've been impressed with the blocking of the RBs - especially with Sproles with his stature.

The one Redskins game i saw Brown had two false starts and was getting manhandled ...and you say we are fine at O-line ..yet de le Puenta sucks..?
I think he has filled in fine..saw him play live and never heard his named called and to say the lines job is not to protect Drew is down right crazy...what do you think they get paid to do?..

And yeah the D-line is supposed to try and get to the QB...and so far they have..who's fault is that?

Your points hold no water with me dude..sorry.:bng:

de la puenta is our backup that is grading out very poorly. that doesnt mean that the line as a whole is doing poorly. linemen get graded individually but they are actually one unit that is playing well together minus the pressures being given up around the edge and from DLP

its not a simple job to protect a QB in the NFL. why do you think the guys that do it well get paid so much? if the defenders are only getting to drew twice a game when they are playing 70+ snaps every game then who do you think is doing a better job...

lets say they dont get to drew 68 snaps but they sack him 2 snaps....68>2...looks like our line is winning that battle

pass blocking is one of the hardest jobs in professional sports...but you know why these arguments dont hold water for you? cuz you dont understand what happens during the course of a play.

can i ask you a serious question? have you played football at any level?

Again its the job of a O-lineman to protect and block in the running game and trying to degrade my intelligence about the game is not the question here ..i was playing football before you were born ..I helped coach pee wee league to two consecutive titles that were played in the Cajun dome..

I completely understand how a play goes and i watch the O-Line very close..i have two nephews who were O-line man in high school and one plays semi pro now topping in at 300 plus..

I see you stop in and purposely try and insult our posters with your negative know it all attitude..If you cant discuss the game without getting personal...then please by all means just stay away..

The tone of your post has a hatred that seems to really be why you are here...and again i give props to the line for trying ..but they are getting pushed around and having trouble not only protecting ..but getting short yardage..im more concerned with them than the D-Line..because if Drew goes down..then what? ..and its not just me that sees it...but im the one you seem to try and insult...if you cant talk in a civil tone.. then maybe this is not the place for you to be..

Oh and yes i did play in Jr High... but was forced to quit because of a accident in where i was struck by a car and suffered a broken leg...for the record i was the fastest guy on the team...and played WR and running back

Peace

First: Grading out? By whom? You? Can I see his report card as written by you? Grading out... :mrgreen:

Second, anybody who knows even the least bit will tell you that Drew makes that line appear to be a hell of a lot better than it might appear if, say, Jay Cutler were the guy throwing the passes. But that's your problem, has always been your problem. You can't see...refuse to see...anything beyond what you want to see. You're a 'stats' guy, but you don't know when to throw them out the window in favor of what you see with your own two eyes.

We all know pass blocking is hard. Once again, we don't need you to educate us. Can I ask YOU a question? At what level did you stop playing football and start "grading" out NFL centers? How much do you make for your 'grading' work? Um...yeah...

:dunce:

my point is not to degrade posters but guys if youre going to blame the line for playing poorly when they are actually doing well then im going to jump all over it. playing in junior high is great...but ur too young to understand the game in 7th grade. coaching pee wees is great too but one super star on a pee wee team can turn a team from 0-8 to 8-0....not a whole lot of football knowledge required

as far as ur nephews playing line, my mom watched my games too. every now and then she comes to watch me coach on fridays....doesnt mean she knows anything about football

the line is doing its job well but despite us being 4-1 scoring over 31 points a game and passing for over 330 yards a game you still need something negative to talk about. the line is fine.

you wanna discuss some problems? how about our lack of balance on offense or our inability to put teams away before the last 2 minutes of a game

Feculent.:flush:

pff.com rates players every game. thats what i was basing my info on.

of course drew is better than jay cutler but their line is abismal

you say drew makes our line look better...true sometimes. maybe our line makes drew look better too? lol then you say no thats not true and we go back and forth arguing about something that cant be proven.

you know why i use stats? because i can see the stats...then i can show other ppl stats. and it can help me prove a point which is usually based on a conclusion ive drawn by WATCHING the games.

the difference is that you guys have conclusions that you draw up form watching the games but you dont have anything to back it up...at least i have stats

didnt you block me cuz my avatar was too racy? what was it again? oh yea a picture of breesus...not surprised you are offended by what i have to say

Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats

NFL Stats: by Team Category

pass attempts 361...sacks 11

league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up

But where do we rank overall?..and if de la Puenta is terrible as you say..wouldn't that be sticking your foot in your mouth?..being he has played in 3 games? The pass attempts versus sacks just PROVES Drew make them look better than they are by stepping up and avoiding the rush..

And even when your all mighty numbers show us at the 14th best run team in the league you insist our line is a solid run-blocking unit. Uh, riiiiight...

Even when the first stat you point to is YPC, and even after several people explain to you how that don't mean jack. Uh, riiiiight...

No sir. True all the time.

Maybe the line makes Drew look better? Seriously? Okay...grab your stats and make that point. This I have GOT to hear...

Yes. It is because you aren't enlightened enough to understand when they are valuable and when they aren't telling you the whole story. Lots of people fall into that trap.

Wow. Why yes we DO watch the games. You should try it. Get your head out of the stats sheet and pay attention.

the line is playing well as a whole...that doesnt mean that individually they cant do better tho.

DLP is grading as our worst lineman right now. he gave up a sack against carolina too

No. I blocked you due to the fact that you had a picture mocking my faith. Nothing racy about it. Just folly on your part.

Coming to this site to try to impress yourself must feel grand. You are acting like a bratty kid by telling the posters here that they don't know what they are talking about. "Feculent" describes you very well.

I was too wondering about the grading low statement in regards to DLP, but then you made the following clarification...

While I'm not saying that pff.com ratings don't have any merit, you can't possibly know how the Saints coaching staff are rating DLP, that is if you are not part of that staff.

I personally haven't seen a single interview of SP where he has said that DLP has been grading low or that his performances have been below what is expected of him, so based on that I'm very doubtful about your original statement.

I disagree ..he might have gave up a sack..but even with help Brown is the weakest link in my honest opinion..and Strief should win that job back..

please prove that drew makes our line look better but our line doesnt make drew look better

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. you cant prove either one with or without stats

i dont think brown is playing well. we knew he was going to struggle run blocking because of his strength but greg hardy laughed at brown every time he ran by him during passing plays

No stat needed for that.. just watch the game..it is known throughout with all saints fans..by the way you mention coaching..what do you coach?..are you a head coach..assistant ?..has your team ever competed for a championship?

But doesn't that mean that you can't disprove them either?