10 Things wrong with our defense.
 

1. Greg Williams
2-10 Everyone on D minus Vilma and Robinson.

I am officially taking away Greg Williams reputation as a DC. I mean you want to be a mastermind DC then you have to coach them up from the basics and make them smart players. I just don't see that. What I see is players trying to make a big hit and ducking and missing tackles and failing to grab and wrap up.

I see a couple of players get lucky here and there but aside from Vilma and Robinson I could care less who is out there. I think any 9 of us on this forum can go out there and do just as good a job, lol.

after all I haven't missed a tackle all season, yet. LOL.

Vilma ain't all that great either.

Keep Ellis, Greer, Jenkins and Jordan. As far as I'm concerned everyone else can go pound sand. That includes Vilma who hasn't gotten off a block since 2009.

Vilma is playing like he's at a loss for...

well...

A win?

Our defense betrays us weekly. Porter - don't know what happened to Tracy Porter but he's been abducted and replaced with a clone who NEVER looks at the quarterback and always plays the tackle, not the ball.

Jenkins looked terrible in coverage. He's playing like a strong safety and providing very little help over the top. And while we blitzed a bunch this game, it was poorly designed and flat out looked ugly.

Didn't we lose our secondary coach this offseason? I wonder if that has anything to do with Porter playing poorly?

Im still not sure why Sharper wasn't givin a chance..oh yeah he is too old. All i know is he made plays and didn't drop sure INTs...

Dont know why everyone is so surprised with our D...they are the same they have been all year..

Drew and The O line had a bad game, they are allowed to after all the great memories they have given us. They will get it together, we will be fine, we will still be in it at the end...but we will lose because of this DEF...the same if not worse Def that we had in Seattle....PERIOD

Yeah..Sharper

This is the game we ALL knew was coming. We didn't know when, but we knew it. We've played like this in every game this season. Only difference, like tbe Green Bay game, we failed to get into the end zone on the last drive. OK, here it is, what do we do now?

NO TURNOVERS. Our Superbowl year, we could count on at least 1 a game, and at least one going to the house every other game. I mean, let's face it, we don't get picks in '09, we lose a lot of games, including the Superbowl. We probably would have still won the NFCC because even if we didn't get any interceptions, Favre would have some how still thrown one.

Didn't get turnovers last year either, but we still managed to have a pretty solid defense. Don't get what is different from last year to this year but there should be jobs on the line if this crap doesn't get better like now.

How much time do you have??

When the defense doesn't get a chance to catch their breath.... it's hard to look good on defense.

Hear me out.
if Drew and the offense was scoring on each or every other possesion; then the defense is mentally pumped up.

With the offense going 3 and out or turning the ball over as soon as they step on the field; the mental toughness goes out the window.

I place the blame of the loss soley on the offense. Drew was off, most of the offense was off. Our defense is noting to win a game for us, this year. They just aren't that strong.

Now, they had their bad (for some reason the word "bad" just doesn't seem to be a good enough word) I think we will be fine.

I do agree with Euph. I place the defensive play, blame, square on GW. This defense and defensive scheme is not working. AT ALL.

Named Harper?

Couldn't resist...

You guys don't understand how much harder it is when your coordinator blitzes the front 6-7 and the QB is just lala'ing in the pocket throwing bullets.

We play defense like blackjack, our only problem is, we bust more than we get 21.

What we've learned so far this season is...

Offensive line took huge hits with the losses of Stinchcomb and Goodwin...

Greg Williams is a streaky Defensive Coordinator with great sound bites...

Denial about the linebacker corps is catching up to the Saints...

We have not drafted impact first round talent in several years...

And the Saints need to start getting younger as their division rivals have...

Sean Payton is the Heart and Soul of the New Orleans Saints...

Our defense is simply not very good. On every level. We are bound to give up a 100 yard rusher every week. We make every QB, regardless of talent look like Tom Brady. The OFFENSE is what wins us games more time than not. And they had a bad game. Our offense bails the defense out every week. We needed the defense today and of course no help. Tampa didnt play that well we just played bad.....

Also, I watch average teams and hope that we had a defense like them. I mean most teams can stop the run. We cant! I cringe when I see a team hand off the ball.....Hell I cringe when I see them drop back for a pass. We give up too many big plays. And we cant do that on the road.

JP, you make some very good points. I was thinking the same thing about our first round picks the last couple years. While we've done well in the mid and late rounds we have missed out on opportunities to draft impact players early in the draft. Will Smith was a decent 1st round pick in 04 but you really have to go back to 01 to find the last time we hit on a first round pick when we drafted Deuce.

Your point about the organization being in denial about our LB's is also very true. I went back and found the last time we drafted a LB in the first round was 1995. It seems that every year we say we need a LB and for whatever reason we don't draft them. So we're stuck with old, washed up LB's.

Losing SP from the sidelines was huge. I said it in the chat that they looked sluggish once he went out and it carried through the entire game.

GW playcalling has been real bad but without quality players on the field it doesn't matter what play is being called. There isn't one guy on our defense that I would be upset if they left. We have zero impact players on the defensive side of the ball and you see it in the number of takeaways.

At the end of the day, we are still 4-2 and tied for first in the division. There's only 1 real good team in the NFL so there's no doubt in my mind this team can make some noise if we just do the little things. Hopefully this game will serve as a wake up call and we come back as a better team.

Detroit, 49ers, Bills, Patriots, Packers........ In our current state of affairs, i dont think we would beat any one of these teams. Already lost to the packers as it is. If this defense doesnt figure out how to stop people, im sorry guys but play offs maybe, superbowl? I dont think so.

Spot on, my Miss'ippi brother!

Alaska (through Kosciusko)

We don't have a high motor guy on defense. I think we made a mistake letting Hargrove walk.

Hargrove..Sharper to man the backend...Danny Clarke....Randall Gay...Goodwin...Remi..we supposedly upgraded ..i dont see it...only thing we upgraded was the kicker..

Difference is Malcolm Jenkins is a free safety and provides coverage help to our corners over the top. Harper on the other hand is a strong safety who plays in the box.

Sorry, I couldn't resist either.

Giving up hope already paul? Shame on you.

Make the playoffs and it's a whole new ball game. The Colts, Giants, and our very own Saints have shown we can get it down defensively when it matters the most... regardless of regular season defensive statistics.

There's really only 1 thing wrong with our defense. The front 4.

If the front four can't get pressure, all 7 players on the backend will be exploited throughout the entire game. Thats why Jenkins, Porter, Greer, Harper, Vilma, Shanle, Dunbar, all got burned throughout the entire game.

It all starts up front. If that doesn't improve you'll see our LB's and DB's exploited again and again.

Yes it certainly didn't help having Freeman standing still in the pocket waiting for his receivers to get open. You can only stay with your man for so long.

Agree with Danno, front four is getting no pressure. Offense can't have a off day or we lose every time.

Totally agree. Offense does not help the defense at all. I talk about the defense just a much as the next guy. They gave up 20pts in the first half but only 6 in the second. Where in the hell is the offense? The defense is horrible in the first half let's just face it but they get their chit together when it counts. IMHO, the reason we are down so fast and so often is because they are always on the damn field. It takes the offense until mid-fourth qtr to realize they are in a game.

They/we keep screaming about how hi-powered and potent our offense is. Well, PROVE IT!!!!

Because each and everytime the other team scores, guess who takes the field? Exactly....

Need LB's and help with the d line to start. Once again, this always seems to be brought up, over and over.

Shawn Rogers... Waste.. I'm at work right now and I could go on for a long time. But before I go, I would like to throw Greg W. under the bus too. Our D suxs, no improvement what so ever.

Exactly!
Our front 4 has ONE-z's on the score card every week.
Cam, Franklin, Rogers, Ellis, Smith ... how do you play a whole game and only have 1 tackle?
and maybe an assist? and NO sacks? and give a backup RB +100?
We'll be all right. I keep telling myself that. You think if I keep saying it it will suddenly become true?

Bottom line for me is, if the offense sputters our D isn't going to win the game for us. Even though we held them to 6 points the second half, we couldn't get them off the field when we needed to.

10 things wrong with our defense......Rogers, Aubrayo, Ellis, Smith, Harper, Jenkins and Porter. I could only come up with seven. Now If they played harder I'd take them off my list.

Havent given up papz, just saying if we play the way we are playing NOW, we will be lucky to get to the second round. This defense needs to start playing consistently, and as a unit. They seem to play great one minute, and then are confused the next.

I don't think it's Greg Williams fault. I mean, he did coach the winning SB Saints, right? Do you think he's changed that much from 2009 and now?

Oh yes people change and change happens fast in the NFL.

One decision stand out SHARPER!!! Where the hell is he.

He's injured, old and getting older, probably couldn't pass a physical and is currently of no interest to all 32 NFL teams.

He's still do us a lot of good even if on the side lines.

Hey, at least Dennis Allen over at the Broncos gave him a pity workout! He wasn't good enough for their sideline, though.