Its time... FIRE GREG WILLIAMS
 

Yeah there you go I said it.

Look he is over-rated and can't teach the very basics of tackling and how to play sound defense. And has us damn near playing like cheap thugs on D. Anyone of us could call up a blitz every other down.

How about coaching the team up on fundamentals... the very basics and put that into the weekly plan. And oh yeah figure out a way to get over your pride and get Sharper back either as a player or coach!

We kept Gibbs around 2 years longer than we should have lets at least learn from that mistake.

This off season Payton should fire him and move on from him and go get someone else to coach our next round of draft picks we are going to spend on D again.

No not yet buddy...lets see how we look in 3 weeks..we could be sitting at 7 and 2...i think he gets a pass..4 TOs killed us yesterday..we made some stops when we had to..but didnt do anything on offense..If you were going to fire someone it would have to be the whole team ..minus John Kasey..Thats why i always say one game at a time ..this looking ten game down the road is BS...just look at yesterday....again ONEGAME at a time ..Lets see how we do next week ..Our O-line coach is just as much at fault to me...

What happened? Did he read a power ranking?

Stops when we had to???

We needed to make 2 more stops are you kidding. This isn't just a one week issues this issue has been going on since last year and was a sore thump in last years play off lost to Seattle of all teams.

You got until the off season but I just don't see the turn around is going to happen if they don't get someone in who can teach them how to tie their shoe laces. Teach them what a wet paper beg is and how to tackle it.

Out offense didn't have a great day but they aren't the problem so much as the D is.

Definitely an over reaction but I can understand the frustration behind it and the points behind it. The defense has been trending downward but there wasn't an offseason and there has been quite a few new parts in and out of our front 7. It doesn't help our offense is turning the ball over and putting our defense in bad positions either. We just ripped off a 4 game winning streak and standing at 4-2. No need to jump off the Williams ship... he's done plenty good for us and we'll turn things around.



I do want to say... we have some terrible zone coverages. Turrible... just turrible.

We gave the O the ball back to win..what happened a TO..yeah we had a chance..bad game by all bro...if the D cant get it done and we miss the playoffs..then this is a valid argument

G.W cant make tackles..or play coverage...I saw guys whiffing on tackles...they should know how to do that on their own..I still think a lot of it is personnel not playing up to their potential. He calls a blitz and we cant get to the QB..guys dropping sure INTs...

Ok lets blame the offense...

Lets let Bree's go this offseason for the INT's. Give me a break.

What has our Defense done for us? NADA.

While the defense played bad, they only gave up 6 points in the 2nd half.

The offense was equally to blame in ths one, specifically the O-line.

Dude the saints had 3 turnovers, that gave a short field. The D is not great but they did hold the bucs to field goals in the second half.

What you should be talking about is the offense and its 4 trips inside the red zone and only coming away with 1 touchdown....1!

Sorry out Defense has had 6 bad games in the last 7 going back to Seattle last year and I am giving you the second half of the Chicago game.

They were just as much at fault..do you want to replace Drew..like Mr Magic?--Oline cant open any holes...cant protect...its on both sides and has been..Drew has been lights out..until yesterday...Losing Coach P was bigger than we all realize..that has me more worried than G.W

Our offense has had good games and entittled to have a bad game once in awhile... but our D SUCKs every week and makes other QB's look like they can be a top 4 QB.

I am not seeing anything I would hang my hat on that for the future and we are wasting our time. He's got to the off season but that is it.

I hope people see how much Ivory can help this team..he torched the Bucs last year with no help from the O-line and he is coming back..so there is a some hope..

Ok...

There is always next year.

That is so 1970's, and 1980's. Win now or go home. We are just about ready to throw this season away and gave up draft picks to get Ingram.

And the rate we are going we'll have a wild card team if we are lucky.

As long as we get to the playoff's, you record does not mean anything as long as you get to the playoffs. Home field advantage would be lovely, but you can get to the Superbowl without it.

Yes were are not playing good football right now...but sometimes getting hot at the end of the season is better.

Green bay last year....

The loss sucked, we should have won the game....but lets not get mad, lets get even in three weeks.

Are you trying to be a troll? Is this the Euphoria from 2004-2009? That was one ugly person and someone who I dispised a great deal.

I aint giving up on nothing ..you are..think about it..we will be in the hunt..just wait and see..:bng::bng:

The Saints have no playmakers. The Saints don't have a NFL quality pass rusher. The Saints have one NFL quality linebacker. One of the Saints safties is a complete liability in coverage. The other safety is inconsistent and has hands of stone. I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching myself. No NFL team can have a game in which they have four turnovers and create none and win. The Saints had four turnovers yesterday and lost by six on the road to a good team. One could argue that Williams did a great job at keeping the game within reach yesterday.

I call it like I see it.

I don't think we should be ok with the performance of our D. And so far this season the unit that has been very disappointing and frustrating is our defense. Deny that???

All this credibility Greg Williams has got is totally over blown and doesn't deserve it any longer.

Like I said anyone can call up blitz's every down but coaching a D and teaching... that is a little different.

Lets not make it personal.

Bad performances all around...
Turnovers!
Missed tackles!
Horrible run blocking by the O line!
And yes, even Poor officiating!

This game was a disaster in almost ever phase.
And, yet, they still had a shot to win it at the end. The Saints are a good team, with lots of talent, but they sure as hell need to execute better.

Good points but... its the DC fault.

They also said they had the best roster they have had since being with the Saints. I don't see that myself just like you pointed out. Why didn't they keep Sharper???

I am not calling out our D for one week of play I am calling them out for 6-7 weeks of this crap.

I'm just calling it how I see it.

Why isn't Sharper on anyone's roster right now? Ask yourself that.

I'm willing to bet if he could actually pass a physical right now, he'd be on someone's roster. He's about to be 36 years old and had knee surgery during the offseason. I'm sure we all can put two and two together.

If I tell you we won't win another Super Bowl with Greg Williams as DC, would you say lets move on and get someone else?

Not saying that just yet because there is hope we we can get someone in to assist in teaching our players how to tackle, how to play D and "bend don't break mentality". Wait wasn't that the plan when Gibbs was here hmmm.

We shouldn't depend on our offense being so perfect, putting up 400 yards passing each week and 50 points each week to win. There are other players on this team and coaches who are getting paid good money to do something other than filling a roster spot.

I can go out there on D and give you 50 percent until it counts! I can let a team hang around and hope Brees win it for us. Geez that is easy...
If Brees makes a mistake we have others to help make it up... WE DON'T.

Maybe so Papz..but we sure could use his exp back there...last i read he was fine and ready to go...he just makes plays..sometimes just being smart makes up for being a physical specimen..our CBs have looked horrible without him getting them in position...just a thought i think we have to look at..kinda like if we lose Vilma..that exp is invaluable .

I agree. We could use his experience back there and I think he'd be extremely helpful putting opinions in Jenkins/Harper's ear. I just don't believe with what he's been through and his age, that he'd be helpful on the field. I'd love to have him here as some sort of player coach.

No because it's just an opinion and you can't forecast the future. What I do know is that Payton and Loomis have faith in him and because of it, I do too. Afterall, it did win us a Superbowl.

I can agree with most of these points. Still, I'm not even close of jumping ship. The track record and results have been there. I'm more concerned about turning the ball over than our defense. You lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. Fact. It's actually quite surprising and commendable that our defense didn't give up 40 given how bad they played leading some to believe... there is light at the end of the tunnel.

If anything..we need to rebuild the Offensive and Defensive lines in the offseason..

Only one of the INTs was Drews fault..PT coughed it up on the other...but still you cant win like that..

D was no worse yesterday than they have been all year. Front four gets no pressure. So we split with Tampa, still win the division, and looks like have to go to Green Bay in January. If the D does not improve through the rest of the season, our post-season will be short lived.

Our d just sucks. I'm lost for words and don't even know who to blame. Players and staff . I love my team, just calling it on how I see it.

I agree with we are in a constant state of rebuild but when you bring in a bunch of players you need someone who is a teacher and a coach. I saw it when Williams was first here but now... I just don't see it.

I don't have a problem pointing the finger at a player for not being as good as he can be at the position. But Williams is billed as a coach that puts players in positions to make plays and he picked these players. They all signed off on these players. In the off season we can rebuild and what does that call for... cutting or firing players. The same can be done to coaches who aren't doing their jobs.

The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better.

Yep, and when the front 4 can't pressure, you have to try and manufacture pressure with blitzes.

The blitzes aren't getting there either. What else is Gregg supposed to do?

The only blame I can throw his way isn't scheme related, its players underachieving, which ultimately is his responsibility.

Our D-line should give their gamechecks to charity.

I'm not sure firing Gregg Williams is the answer, but I can tell you this: In my fantasy football league I do not hesitate playing people from whichever offense is facing the Saints that particular week. We can't stop anyone and we are getting no turnovers whatsoever (unless Cam Newton throws the ball directly to Patrick Robinson, for instance).

Am I alone in thinking we should have made a stronger push for Cullen Jenkins? Whenever a big supposed playmaker, like Shaun Rogers for instance, comes to New Orleans, it's because they "turned down more money" somewhere else. We should have offered Jenkins a big fat contract. And I was pissed we let Remi Ayodele go for not that much money. And Scott Fujita. And others.

Ick. You start players that we actually have as opponents that week? Bad ju ju brah. Actually my entire fantasy team is all Saints. Thats prob going to far but oh well.

WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!!

He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls.

It is always the Coaches is fault.

One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well.

If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame.

I agree with Danno. Our Oline and turnovers killed us. The defense is pretty bad, but I think its more of a personnell thing. We did not address the needs we should have during the offseason. If we do not get some talent this offseason on Defense I will blame the FO.

Yeah and that aint always right...the players have to do their part to..and they aren't doing it...would you agree on that..

You can scream and teach all you want ..but you cant get out there and play for them..

the O flat out stunk...should we fire Payton as well?...lets see how they respond..remember this coach had the D playing well with different players...makes you wonder..