Don't know if I agree with this

strato · 10-22-2011, 10:08 AM

Whats funny is were 13th in rushing ave over 100 yards game..if they could just open some holes...we could be top 5.

strato · 10-22-2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

What happened to Tennant? I thought he was next in line to take over at center?

He might be..but its DLP time now..

CantonLegend · 10-22-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

O-line is just average.
One of the best passing games in the league, yes.
To me, a good O-line can run the ball just as effectively as passing the ball.
Not the case with the Saints. We've got the backs to do it, and still not getting it done.
Bring this up again when we start consistently grinding out 100-150 each week.

we are averaging 109 yards on the ground per game while only running the ball about 25 times per game.

seems like the running game is fine as long as we do it more often

xan · 10-22-2011, 10:26 AM

Our constant telegraphing of plays via personnel groupings kills most of our opportunities to run the ball effectively.

As an example, when Sproles is lined up deep, he's expected to be the dump off receiver, which telegraphs pass. All our best runs are student body sweeps using Sproles, because the defense isn't adjusted to that kind of play.

When PT or Ingram are in, our overwhelming tendencies are to run, so adjustments are to run blitz, controlling the edges for any (highly unlikely) cutback. Neither PT nor Ingram bounce away from play designed holes, so if the O-Line doesn't create an improbably hole given the defense's reaction to personnel groupings, then we won't run effectively.

If we split either out wide like we do Sproles, then we may get more favorable matchups. But we don't so we won't.

strato · 10-22-2011, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Our constant telegraphing of plays via personnel groupings kills most of our opportunities to run the ball effectively.

As an example, when Sproles is lined up deep, he's expected to be the dump off receiver, which telegraphs pass. All our best runs are student body sweeps using Sproles, because the defense isn't adjusted to that kind of play.

When PT or Ingram are in, our overwhelming tendencies are to run, so adjustments are to run blitz, controlling the edges for any (highly unlikely) cutback. Neither PT nor Ingram bounce away from play designed holes, so if the O-Line doesn't create an improbably hole given the defense's reaction to personnel groupings, then we won't run effectively.

If we split either out wide like we do Sproles, then we may get more favorable matchups. But we don't so we won't.

I tend to agree with this Xan..if we can see it coming...then its pretty obvious..i wonder why Sean is getting more predictable..we used to be really hard to dissect ...seems as you say.... personnel tends to dictate our playcalls.

I like establishing the run first...but we just have a hard time doing that..our backs get keyed on all the time..i know some is O-Line letting backfield penetration..but i think Ds tend to know when to stack the box or blitz Drew more often than in the past..I dunno just my observation so far..

I wish we would runs some 2 back sets, and send the FB in motion some and use him to help keep the chains moving..remember when Karney was here and we used that to kill Dallas..where did it go..lol

homerj07 · 10-22-2011, 11:50 AM

When is Zack coming back?????

10-22-2011, 10:09 AM	#12
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by saintpaul25 What happened to Tennant? I thought he was next in line to take over at center? He might be..but its DLP time now..

10-22-2011, 10:18 AM	#13
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by darstep O-line is just average. One of the best passing games in the league, yes. To me, a good O-line can run the ball just as effectively as passing the ball. Not the case with the Saints. We've got the backs to do it, and still not getting it done. Bring this up again when we start consistently grinding out 100-150 each week. we are averaging 109 yards on the ground per game while only running the ball about 25 times per game. seems like the running game is fine as long as we do it more often

10-22-2011, 10:26 AM	#14
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Our constant telegraphing of plays via personnel groupings kills most of our opportunities to run the ball effectively. As an example, when Sproles is lined up deep, he's expected to be the dump off receiver, which telegraphs pass. All our best runs are student body sweeps using Sproles, because the defense isn't adjusted to that kind of play. When PT or Ingram are in, our overwhelming tendencies are to run, so adjustments are to run blitz, controlling the edges for any (highly unlikely) cutback. Neither PT nor Ingram bounce away from play designed holes, so if the O-Line doesn't create an improbably hole given the defense's reaction to personnel groupings, then we won't run effectively. If we split either out wide like we do Sproles, then we may get more favorable matchups. But we don't so we won't.
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10-22-2011, 10:35 AM	#15
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by xan Our constant telegraphing of plays via personnel groupings kills most of our opportunities to run the ball effectively. As an example, when Sproles is lined up deep, he's expected to be the dump off receiver, which telegraphs pass. All our best runs are student body sweeps using Sproles, because the defense isn't adjusted to that kind of play. When PT or Ingram are in, our overwhelming tendencies are to run, so adjustments are to run blitz, controlling the edges for any (highly unlikely) cutback. Neither PT nor Ingram bounce away from play designed holes, so if the O-Line doesn't create an improbably hole given the defense's reaction to personnel groupings, then we won't run effectively. If we split either out wide like we do Sproles, then we may get more favorable matchups. But we don't so we won't. I tend to agree with this Xan..if we can see it coming...then its pretty obvious..i wonder why Sean is getting more predictable..we used to be really hard to dissect ...seems as you say.... personnel tends to dictate our playcalls. I like establishing the run first...but we just have a hard time doing that..our backs get keyed on all the time..i know some is O-Line letting backfield penetration..but i think Ds tend to know when to stack the box or blitz Drew more often than in the past..I dunno just my observation so far.. I wish we would runs some 2 back sets, and send the FB in motion some and use him to help keep the chains moving..remember when Karney was here and we used that to kill Dallas..where did it go..lol

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