Balance or bust

strato · 10-31-2011, 10:55 AM

Yeah since everyone is throwing out theories ..here's one for ya..

BALANCE!

We need to use our RBs which we have and not get the virus..the Rams showed if you stick with the running game it pays off...we panic when we dont score quick and often and unless Drew has protection and the receivers can get seperation...this is what happens..

I have seen it over and over again from this group since 06...look at the 06 championship game...look at 07 ..08 last year...its a trend... when we had balance on O...that would be 09...we won it all...our D is not great but with no help from the offense to eat up some clock....they never leave the field.

I hope we take advantage of our staple of RBs..i love to see Drew light it up...but only when needed...

We better work exclusively on run blocking this week..or it will be the same old story..

If Dallas can break a record with a rookie against the Lambs and we cant even get 3 good RBs going ..then we deserved to lose...Payton needs to have a balanced game plan..and stick with it..

Mardigras9 · 10-31-2011, 11:02 AM

Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes?

strato · 10-31-2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes?

Thats a whole other issue...we had 3 gimmie picks yesterday and dropped all three...I think we miss Sharper more than most realize...

Mardigras9 · 10-31-2011, 11:36 AM

Maybe GW needs to find a balance also and tone down the blitzing for a while. Both sides of the ball seems to need balance. Falling into a hole every game is destroying our ability to find balance anywhere. We are in still in a good position overall, but your point of finding balance is a necessity.

CharityMike · 10-31-2011, 11:42 AM

I agree 100%. We have become so predictable its sad. How many times yesterday did we run 1st then pass, pass punt or pick? Chris would run 1 time and go to the sideline. Pierre one rush and then Darren one rush. How can any of our back get into a rhythm like that?

We are not the only team like this. If you watched the N.E. game, they are the same way. So are the Packers to an extent. Our coach's over game plan themselves sometimes I think. They are so quick to abandon the run like its not even a necessary function.

strato · 10-31-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I agree 100%. We have become so predictable its sad. How many times yesterday did we run 1st then pass, pass punt or pick? Chris would run 1 time and go to the sideline. Pierre one rush and then Darren one rush. How can any of our back get into a rhythm like that?

We are not the only team like this. If you watched the N.E. game, they are the same way. So are the Packers to an extent. Our coach's over game plan themselves sometimes I think. They are so quick to abandon the run like its not even a necessary function.

First off..welcome!..and yes how can RB get any rhythm like that...too many subs..just line up and crack some heads..then air it out...what is so hard to figure out there...why even have a RBs if they don't get used..

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-31-2011, 11:55 AM

IMHO, the coaches are doing the best they can with the talent that they have.
If the Saints don't appear to have balance, it's because of the limitations of the personnel on the roster.

That's how I see it.

strato · 10-31-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan

IMHO, the coaches are doing the best they can with the talent that they have.
If the Saints don't appear to have balance, it's because of the limitations of the personnel on the roster.

That's how I see it.

So your saying that

We have the best two guards in the league..P.T..Sproles...Ivory..and Ingram and we cant get our running game going?

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-31-2011, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by strato

So your saying that

We have the best two guards in the league..P.T..Sproles...Ivory..and Ingram and we cant get our running game going?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Lemme say this: I know that the book at the beginning of the season told us that the Saints have the "best two guards in the league", but, reality always trumps the book. They don't look like the best two guards right now, but, not only that: the O Line Tackles are weak. The O Line is weak. If there are no holes to run through, you need an Earl Campbell to MAKE the hole, and the Saints don't have anybody like that on the roster.

Defensively? We know all about the Saints defense. It's not going to win games for you.

So, I'm saying that in my humble opinion, the Saints are in trouble, because they just don't have the horses. They have one Secretariat, and that's Drew Brees. Jimmy Graham is a thoroughbred, and there are one or two others. The rest of the roster has lots of nags.

So, I don't think you'll see the Saints running game get going this season. If they were capable of it, we'd see it already. They aren't capable of it. Just my take on it. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just judging on what I see now that half the regular season is over.

darstep · 10-31-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes?

All that scheme hula-hue is just smoke and mirrors.
No matter how you stack things up, it's still 11 on 11.
Guys have to make plays. Sometimes a play is a good block to spring a runner.
Sometimes its a good throw or an amazing catch, most times just a basic catch.
Sometimes its an open field tackle or hanging on to that INT when it shows up.
The plays players are called on to make, sometimes have a bigger pay out.
But every one of those plays is important in the moment its happening.
We just are not making enough plays, or stringing together enough plays when it counts.
That's the diffference between a SB win and +60 against the Colts,
and a playoff defeat to a team with a losing record and yesterday's debacle.
Guys have to be able to hold their own one-on-one, defend their spot, man-up when it counts.
We are just NOT getting it done.

10-31-2011, 10:55 AM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Balance or bust Yeah since everyone is throwing out theories ..here's one for ya.. BALANCE! We need to use our RBs which we have and not get the virus..the Rams showed if you stick with the running game it pays off...we panic when we dont score quick and often and unless Drew has protection and the receivers can get seperation...this is what happens.. I have seen it over and over again from this group since 06...look at the 06 championship game...look at 07 ..08 last year...its a trend... when we had balance on O...that would be 09...we won it all...our D is not great but with no help from the offense to eat up some clock....they never leave the field. I hope we take advantage of our staple of RBs..i love to see Drew light it up...but only when needed... We better work exclusively on run blocking this week..or it will be the same old story.. If Dallas can break a record with a rookie against the Lambs and we cant even get 3 good RBs going ..then we deserved to lose...Payton needs to have a balanced game plan..and stick with it.. jlouhill, jcp026, halloween 65 and 1 others like this.

10-31-2011, 11:04 AM	#3
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes? Thats a whole other issue...we had 3 gimmie picks yesterday and dropped all three...I think we miss Sharper more than most realize...

10-31-2011, 11:47 AM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CharityMike I agree 100%. We have become so predictable its sad. How many times yesterday did we run 1st then pass, pass punt or pick? Chris would run 1 time and go to the sideline. Pierre one rush and then Darren one rush. How can any of our back get into a rhythm like that? We are not the only team like this. If you watched the N.E. game, they are the same way. So are the Packers to an extent. Our coach's over game plan themselves sometimes I think. They are so quick to abandon the run like its not even a necessary function. First off..welcome!..and yes how can RB get any rhythm like that...too many subs..just line up and crack some heads..then air it out...what is so hard to figure out there...why even have a RBs if they don't get used..

10-31-2011, 11:58 AM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan IMHO, the coaches are doing the best they can with the talent that they have. If the Saints don't appear to have balance, it's because of the limitations of the personnel on the roster. That's how I see it. So your saying that We have the best two guards in the league..P.T..Sproles...Ivory..and Ingram and we cant get our running game going?

10-31-2011, 12:05 PM	#9
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Originally Posted by strato So your saying that We have the best two guards in the league..P.T..Sproles...Ivory..and Ingram and we cant get our running game going? That's exactly what I'm saying. Lemme say this: I know that the book at the beginning of the season told us that the Saints have the "best two guards in the league", but, reality always trumps the book. They don't look like the best two guards right now, but, not only that: the O Line Tackles are weak. The O Line is weak. If there are no holes to run through, you need an Earl Campbell to MAKE the hole, and the Saints don't have anybody like that on the roster. Defensively? We know all about the Saints defense. It's not going to win games for you. So, I'm saying that in my humble opinion, the Saints are in trouble, because they just don't have the horses. They have one Secretariat, and that's Drew Brees. Jimmy Graham is a thoroughbred, and there are one or two others. The rest of the roster has lots of nags. So, I don't think you'll see the Saints running game get going this season. If they were capable of it, we'd see it already. They aren't capable of it. Just my take on it. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just judging on what I see now that half the regular season is over.
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10-31-2011, 11:02 AM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes?

10-31-2011, 11:36 AM	#4
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Maybe GW needs to find a balance also and tone down the blitzing for a while. Both sides of the ball seems to need balance. Falling into a hole every game is destroying our ability to find balance anywhere. We are in still in a good position overall, but your point of finding balance is a necessity.

10-31-2011, 11:42 AM	#5
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	I agree 100%. We have become so predictable its sad. How many times yesterday did we run 1st then pass, pass punt or pick? Chris would run 1 time and go to the sideline. Pierre one rush and then Darren one rush. How can any of our back get into a rhythm like that? We are not the only team like this. If you watched the N.E. game, they are the same way. So are the Packers to an extent. Our coach's over game plan themselves sometimes I think. They are so quick to abandon the run like its not even a necessary function.

10-31-2011, 11:55 AM	#7
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	IMHO, the coaches are doing the best they can with the talent that they have. If the Saints don't appear to have balance, it's because of the limitations of the personnel on the roster. That's how I see it.

10-31-2011, 12:06 PM	#10
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Agree totally, also is it just me or does it seam the rest of the NFL has figured out how to combat GW's defensive schemes? All that scheme hula-hue is just smoke and mirrors. No matter how you stack things up, it's still 11 on 11. Guys have to make plays. Sometimes a play is a good block to spring a runner. Sometimes its a good throw or an amazing catch, most times just a basic catch. Sometimes its an open field tackle or hanging on to that INT when it shows up. The plays players are called on to make, sometimes have a bigger pay out. But every one of those plays is important in the moment its happening. We just are not making enough plays, or stringing together enough plays when it counts. That's the diffference between a SB win and +60 against the Colts, and a playoff defeat to a team with a losing record and yesterday's debacle. Guys have to be able to hold their own one-on-one, defend their spot, man-up when it counts. We are just NOT getting it done.
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