PFF: Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8

Danno · 10-31-2011, 02:18 PM

Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8

...This is just one game but the flaws the Rams brutally exposed at offensive tackle and in run defense raise alarming concerns for the prospects of the Saints in a competitive NFC South. It wasn’t just the Saints beating themselves though, with the Rams putting in the kind of performance that had most installing them pre season favorites for the NFC West...

New Orleans – Three Performances of Note
Vulnerability at middle linebacker
At some point a consistent vulnerability, such as that which the Saints have at middle linebacker with Jonathan Vilma (-3.7 run defense), has to be exposed. This Sunday was that day. This marked the ninth straight game in which Vilma has graded negatively as a run defender and though he managed not to miss a tackle for the third straight week he is a clear Achilles heel for this defense.

Return to NFC West brings a return to form
When the New Orleans Saints signed Aubrayo Franklin (+2.4) they thought they’d be getting the stout run defender... Up to this week his returns on their investment had been somewhat inconsistent... This week, against a familiar NFC West opponent, he came to the fore and showed the form the Saints expect from him registering two defensive stops in 14 snaps in run defense. Only Franklin’s limited snaps prevented him having more of an impact on the Rams’ running game.

Run blocking worries
Four of the Saints’ starters graded negatively with their run blocking this week and of particular concern must be the performance of Carl Nicks (-3.1 run blocking this week). When the Saints were at their best they thrived on balance in their offense with the running game just as dangerous as the passing game. If they are to return to their best the Saints’ offensive line must return to form to allow the Saints to run the ball more than the 20 carries they managed this week.

Entire article: Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8 | ProFootballFocus.com

Pretty much confirms mostly what we all saw.

strato · 10-31-2011, 02:23 PM

Vilma has been in decline...im not afraid to say it....i think he is a bit undersized..we need a big run stuffing LB ..oneday

Danno · 10-31-2011, 02:29 PM

Individual performances (taken from recaps in various threads, since its a PPV site)

Other nuggets:

Rated best overall defender Sunday - Malcolm Jenkins +2.8

Rated worst overall defender Junior Galette -2.9.

Franklin Rogers and Jordan rated positive vs the run
Smith and Ellis rated negative vs the run

OL overall ratings:
Bushrod -3.8
Nicks -1.4,
De La Puente -0.8
Evans -1.4
Brown -7.5
McQuistan -2.1

OL run block ratings
Bushrod -0.6
Nicks -3.1
De La Puente -1.2
Evans +0.4
Brown -1.1
McQuistan +1.5.

strato · 10-31-2011, 02:32 PM

Do these figures account for penalties against individual players?...i thought Galette wasn't to bad..but the penalties he had were .

Danno · 10-31-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Does these figures account for penalties against individual players?...i thought Galette wasn't to bad..but the penalties he had were .

I'd imagine so, but since its a 40.00 PPV I don't know. I think I've heard them reference penaties before so prob so.

Interesting tid-bit - Roman Harper has now graded positive in pass protection for 6 straight games now. Porter, uhhh, not good at all, again.

Vilma, Dunbar and Robinson graded out positive in pass-pro also.

halloween 65 · 10-31-2011, 03:19 PM

I've said before slide Vilma to Shanle's spot and bring Wilson to the middle,younger and faster. Vilma would shore up that spot and is much better in pass protection than Shanle.

10-31-2011, 02:18 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	PFF: Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8 Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8 ...This is just one game but the flaws the Rams brutally exposed at offensive tackle and in run defense raise alarming concerns for the prospects of the Saints in a competitive NFC South. It wasn’t just the Saints beating themselves though, with the Rams putting in the kind of performance that had most installing them pre season favorites for the NFC West... New Orleans – Three Performances of Note Vulnerability at middle linebacker At some point a consistent vulnerability, such as that which the Saints have at middle linebacker with Jonathan Vilma (-3.7 run defense), has to be exposed. This Sunday was that day. This marked the ninth straight game in which Vilma has graded negatively as a run defender and though he managed not to miss a tackle for the third straight week he is a clear Achilles heel for this defense. Return to NFC West brings a return to form When the New Orleans Saints signed Aubrayo Franklin (+2.4) they thought they’d be getting the stout run defender... Up to this week his returns on their investment had been somewhat inconsistent... This week, against a familiar NFC West opponent, he came to the fore and showed the form the Saints expect from him registering two defensive stops in 14 snaps in run defense. Only Franklin’s limited snaps prevented him having more of an impact on the Rams’ running game. Run blocking worries Four of the Saints’ starters graded negatively with their run blocking this week and of particular concern must be the performance of Carl Nicks (-3.1 run blocking this week). When the Saints were at their best they thrived on balance in their offense with the running game just as dangerous as the passing game. If they are to return to their best the Saints’ offensive line must return to form to allow the Saints to run the ball more than the 20 carries they managed this week. Entire article: Re-Focused: Saints @ Rams, Week 8 \| ProFootballFocus.com Pretty much confirms mostly what we all saw.

10-31-2011, 02:32 PM	#4
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Do these figures account for penalties against individual players?...i thought Galette wasn't to bad..but the penalties he had were .
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10-31-2011, 02:38 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by strato Does these figures account for penalties against individual players?...i thought Galette wasn't to bad..but the penalties he had were . I'd imagine so, but since its a 40.00 PPV I don't know. I think I've heard them reference penaties before so prob so. Interesting tid-bit - Roman Harper has now graded positive in pass protection for 6 straight games now. Porter, uhhh, not good at all, again. Vilma, Dunbar and Robinson graded out positive in pass-pro also.

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10-31-2011, 02:23 PM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Vilma has been in decline...im not afraid to say it....i think he is a bit undersized..we need a big run stuffing LB ..oneday

10-31-2011, 02:29 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Individual performances (taken from recaps in various threads, since its a PPV site) Other nuggets: Rated best overall defender Sunday - Malcolm Jenkins +2.8 Rated worst overall defender Junior Galette -2.9. Franklin Rogers and Jordan rated positive vs the run Smith and Ellis rated negative vs the run OL overall ratings: Bushrod -3.8 Nicks -1.4, De La Puente -0.8 Evans -1.4 Brown -7.5 McQuistan -2.1 OL run block ratings Bushrod -0.6 Nicks -3.1 De La Puente -1.2 Evans +0.4 Brown -1.1 McQuistan +1.5.

10-31-2011, 03:19 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	I've said before slide Vilma to Shanle's spot and bring Wilson to the middle,younger and faster. Vilma would shore up that spot and is much better in pass protection than Shanle.