Defense Beware!!!!!

WhoDat · 02-05-2004, 02:05 PM

I\'m thinking the Falcons are going to be good either way.

4-12?? Possible? Yes. Likely, no. Too much talent. I look for the Saints to add a 2nd tier CB and LB (b/c they NEVER do anything 1st tier). After that, I hope we keep Howard and find another DT. Myabe Craver comes around or Fahkir keeps developing in the defensive backfield. Hopefully, whomever we get in FA at LB steps it up. Give me a player in the middle with Rodgers and Smith/Grant in the other OLB spot and we\'ll be OK.

saintz08 · 02-05-2004, 01:08 PM

Looking for Atlanta to feed off of the Bucs and 49ers in free agancy .......

Sapp in Atlanta ??

T.O. fits the offense , but Mora jr. might have a bad taste in his mouth from before.

IMHO : Howard a falcon ......

Thinking Falcons are going to build heavy in free agency .

BlackandBlue · 02-05-2004, 11:27 AM

T.O. won\'t be in San Fran next year.

whowatches · 02-06-2004, 11:13 AM

Two comments:

I may be completely and utterly mistaken, but I do not see the Falcons being any good next year. They do not have the defensive personel or the money to pursue them. Mora, Jr. may prove me wrong, but I\'m not quaking in my shorts at the idea of playing him twice a year. His resume sounds kinda familiar to me... hmm... young, defensive-minded coach... no head-coaching experience... Like I said, I could be wrong.

I would much rather sign a corner (even a 2nd tier one) than spend a first round pick on one. Don\'t you guys remember Molden?!?! I still ache from the muscles I tore in my arm throwing bottles and remotes and pets at the tv screaming for this guy to cover somebody beside the opposing LT. In my opinion, this draft has many linebackers who could start and impact our defense right away. With corners, I see the words, \"development\", \"project\" and/or \"potential.\"

Kinda tired of those words.

.02

BlackandBlue · 02-06-2004, 11:19 AM

Up until recently, it seemed Haslett was dead set on putting Cie Grant at MLB. I thought before the draft even occured, and there are others here that relay the same sentiment, that he would be more of an impact player at weak side linebacker.
Whowatches- I share your feelings on the CB class, but I do believe that Gamble is the real deal, and is head and shoulders above the rest of the class.

canucksaint · 02-06-2004, 01:56 PM

I agree that I wouldn\'t want to see a CB as our frist pick, however I will take that over anyone on O. I can\'t say that I am sold on Gamble yet. He has only had one full year playing at CB. I put him in the same catagory as Danta Robinson. Both have good physical assests, but are a bit to inexperienced at the position. Hopefully we will fill the void of CB during FA, and then pick up someone for development, but again, I wouldn\'t want to spend a first rounder on it. Especially if someone like Vilma or Williams are still around.

saintz08 · 02-06-2004, 04:36 PM

Here is the answer on Mc Alister

Ravens, McAlister talk long-term deal
Franchise tag likely used on cornerback if contract not agreed on by Feb. 24
By Jamison Hensley
Sun Staff
Originally published February 6, 2004
A month away from the start of free agency, Ravens officials said cornerback Chris McAlister likely will not hit the open market.
The Ravens are \"heavy\" in negotiations on a long-term contract with the Pro Bowl defender, but they seem ready to name him their franchise player again if no deal can be reached by Feb. 24, the NFL\'s deadline for assigning the tag.

Since McAlister was the team\'s franchise player last year, he would receive a one-year deal worth $7.2 million (a 120 percent raise from last year\'s contract).

The tag virtually locks him into returning since no team is expected to match the offer and give the Ravens two first-round draft picks as compensation. It also doesn\'t stop the Ravens from reaching a long-term deal at a later date.

Cie Grant in the middle .

Great , He will most likely earn the nickname See Ya Grant , as backs like Davis drag him into the endzone .He was originally projected as a safety in the N.F.L.

BrooksMustGo · 02-07-2004, 12:18 PM

With corners, I see the words, \"development\", \"project\" and/or \"potential.\"

Kinda tired of those words.

I agree. Those words seem to be the key to understand Haslett\'s entire run as head coach here.

Our personnel moves are utterly baffling to me at times. It would be different if we had the Patriots knack for putting together a team, but Haslett doesn\'t seem to have that aptitude. I\'d MUCH rather try and address our critical needs in FA with proven commodities, even though they are expensive. Haslett seems to have Mike Martz syndrome when it comes to draft day.

If we could pick up Wilson, Bryant, and Washington. Or Wilson, Bryant and Sapp, I think we could make allowance for Martz syndrome on draft day.

Cadillac · 02-11-2004, 01:43 PM

The LAST thing the Saints need to do is sign Sapp. The guy is cancer, and no longer has the skills to back up his mouth. If the Saints were to pick up a DT in free agency, I think the Titans Robaire Smith would be a great pickup. While Smith is not a top tier DT, he is a solid, high motor player, and would not come anywhere near the price of Sapp. Rotating Robaire with Kenny Smith, another high motor player, would cause OL\'s a few headaches.

frankeefrank · 02-11-2004, 06:22 PM

I see alot of responses like...
(don\'t want a CB in first round)
As far as I\'m concerned every guy in the draft is a \"reach\" There are no can\'t miss guys.
I jsut don\'t want to miss out on defensive needs another year. Just b/c you guys don\'t see Mel Kiper Jr. talking up a lot of CB\'s... don\'t think there aren\'t any good ones in the draft. No one talked up Rasehan Mathis last year and he is quality. Saints could have had him... No one talked up Ricky Manning Jr. last year...Quality.
When GM\'s and coaches do their homework and teach their rookies good things happen.
Let\'s not be afraid to take a chance...

02-05-2004, 02:05 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Defense Beware!!!!! I\'m thinking the Falcons are going to be good either way. 4-12?? Possible? Yes. Likely, no. Too much talent. I look for the Saints to add a 2nd tier CB and LB (b/c they NEVER do anything 1st tier). After that, I hope we keep Howard and find another DT. Myabe Craver comes around or Fahkir keeps developing in the defensive backfield. Hopefully, whomever we get in FA at LB steps it up. Give me a player in the middle with Rodgers and Smith/Grant in the other OLB spot and we\'ll be OK.
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02-05-2004, 01:08 PM	#2
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Defense Beware!!!!! Looking for Atlanta to feed off of the Bucs and 49ers in free agancy ....... Sapp in Atlanta ?? T.O. fits the offense , but Mora jr. might have a bad taste in his mouth from before. IMHO : Howard a falcon ...... Thinking Falcons are going to build heavy in free agency .
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02-05-2004, 11:27 AM	#3
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Defense Beware!!!!! T.O. won\'t be in San Fran next year.

02-06-2004, 11:13 AM	#4
whowatches 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 575	Defense Beware!!!!! Two comments: I may be completely and utterly mistaken, but I do not see the Falcons being any good next year. They do not have the defensive personel or the money to pursue them. Mora, Jr. may prove me wrong, but I\'m not quaking in my shorts at the idea of playing him twice a year. His resume sounds kinda familiar to me... hmm... young, defensive-minded coach... no head-coaching experience... Like I said, I could be wrong. I would much rather sign a corner (even a 2nd tier one) than spend a first round pick on one. Don\'t you guys remember Molden?!?! I still ache from the muscles I tore in my arm throwing bottles and remotes and pets at the tv screaming for this guy to cover somebody beside the opposing LT. In my opinion, this draft has many linebackers who could start and impact our defense right away. With corners, I see the words, \"development\", \"project\" and/or \"potential.\" Kinda tired of those words. .02
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02-06-2004, 11:19 AM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Defense Beware!!!!! Up until recently, it seemed Haslett was dead set on putting Cie Grant at MLB. I thought before the draft even occured, and there are others here that relay the same sentiment, that he would be more of an impact player at weak side linebacker. Whowatches- I share your feelings on the CB class, but I do believe that Gamble is the real deal, and is head and shoulders above the rest of the class.

02-06-2004, 01:56 PM	#6
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Defense Beware!!!!! I agree that I wouldn\'t want to see a CB as our frist pick, however I will take that over anyone on O. I can\'t say that I am sold on Gamble yet. He has only had one full year playing at CB. I put him in the same catagory as Danta Robinson. Both have good physical assests, but are a bit to inexperienced at the position. Hopefully we will fill the void of CB during FA, and then pick up someone for development, but again, I wouldn\'t want to spend a first rounder on it. Especially if someone like Vilma or Williams are still around.

02-06-2004, 04:36 PM	#7
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Defense Beware!!!!! Here is the answer on Mc Alister Ravens, McAlister talk long-term deal Franchise tag likely used on cornerback if contract not agreed on by Feb. 24 By Jamison Hensley Sun Staff Originally published February 6, 2004 A month away from the start of free agency, Ravens officials said cornerback Chris McAlister likely will not hit the open market. The Ravens are \"heavy\" in negotiations on a long-term contract with the Pro Bowl defender, but they seem ready to name him their franchise player again if no deal can be reached by Feb. 24, the NFL\'s deadline for assigning the tag. Since McAlister was the team\'s franchise player last year, he would receive a one-year deal worth $7.2 million (a 120 percent raise from last year\'s contract). The tag virtually locks him into returning since no team is expected to match the offer and give the Ravens two first-round draft picks as compensation. It also doesn\'t stop the Ravens from reaching a long-term deal at a later date. Cie Grant in the middle . Great , He will most likely earn the nickname See Ya Grant , as backs like Davis drag him into the endzone .He was originally projected as a safety in the N.F.L.
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02-07-2004, 12:18 PM	#8
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Defense Beware!!!!! With corners, I see the words, \"development\", \"project\" and/or \"potential.\" Kinda tired of those words. I agree. Those words seem to be the key to understand Haslett\'s entire run as head coach here. Our personnel moves are utterly baffling to me at times. It would be different if we had the Patriots knack for putting together a team, but Haslett doesn\'t seem to have that aptitude. I\'d MUCH rather try and address our critical needs in FA with proven commodities, even though they are expensive. Haslett seems to have Mike Martz syndrome when it comes to draft day. If we could pick up Wilson, Bryant, and Washington. Or Wilson, Bryant and Sapp, I think we could make allowance for Martz syndrome on draft day.
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02-11-2004, 01:43 PM	#9
Cadillac 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 121	Defense Beware!!!!! The LAST thing the Saints need to do is sign Sapp. The guy is cancer, and no longer has the skills to back up his mouth. If the Saints were to pick up a DT in free agency, I think the Titans Robaire Smith would be a great pickup. While Smith is not a top tier DT, he is a solid, high motor player, and would not come anywhere near the price of Sapp. Rotating Robaire with Kenny Smith, another high motor player, would cause OL\'s a few headaches.
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02-11-2004, 06:22 PM	#10
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Defense Beware!!!!! I see alot of responses like... (don\'t want a CB in first round) As far as I\'m concerned every guy in the draft is a \"reach\" There are no can\'t miss guys. I jsut don\'t want to miss out on defensive needs another year. Just b/c you guys don\'t see Mel Kiper Jr. talking up a lot of CB\'s... don\'t think there aren\'t any good ones in the draft. No one talked up Rasehan Mathis last year and he is quality. Saints could have had him... No one talked up Ricky Manning Jr. last year...Quality. When GM\'s and coaches do their homework and teach their rookies good things happen. Let\'s not be afraid to take a chance...
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