Anyone disappointed with Ingram?

homerj07 · 11-09-2011, 08:13 PM

So far - no. If he doesn't show more, then over time - yes

Ashley · 11-09-2011, 08:15 PM

I'd say no but I don't think we use him enough.

Memnoch_TP · 11-09-2011, 09:33 PM

Well, I have to go with "yes". Not that he has been bad, and he hasn't been used enough for me to expect him to light up the NFL as a rookie.

But, really, I haven't seen him do anything that 23 or Ivory couldn't do. With all the injuries that we had at RB last year, I understand the pickup, but once we got the great addition of Sproles taking Ingram was really kind of a waste of a pick.

I don't think it was a bad decision to take him, especially not being able to recruit due to the lockout, but I don't think it ended up being the best decision. A kick ass linebacker or O-Line help would have done the team a lot more good.

Memnoch_TP · 11-09-2011, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected...

Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

pinch · 11-09-2011, 09:51 PM

From what I've seen so far I'm skeptical about Ingram's ceiling. While he runs hard, he doesn't seem to have much vision or lateral movement. RBs with that trait are a dime a dozen.

P.T. and even Bell this pre-season have impressed me more than Ingram thus far. And I also agree with Duncan that Ivory has more potential, although he can't stay healthy.

saintfan · 11-09-2011, 10:09 PM

How many carries does he have? Hardly a body of work from which he can be judged fairly. It's a team sport.

jeanpierre · 11-09-2011, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'd have to ask what's meant by disappointed. I'm slightly disappointed he hasn't broken a big gainer yet, but I'm certainly not disappointed in what I've seen from him so far.

He's got the balance, quickness, and power I was expecting, but just hasn't had one of those WOW games yet. I do think they will come however and had he played this week I think we would have seen a couple big gainers from him.

I'd have to say that's about how I feel about his display up until now; the injury will also afford him an unexpected break and allow him to adjust to the rookie wall so that he can "finish strong" this season...

Budsdrinker · 11-09-2011, 10:17 PM

Ingram is doing fine considering we don't commit to the run enough. We had to take a RB in the draft because of the uncertainty of both PT and Ivory coming off of their injuries. Ivory's Lis franc injury is a difficult one to come back from and PT's return from ankle surgery wasn't a sure thing either. And Sproles was picked up after the draft and everybody knew Reggie wouldn't restructure so it wasn't a wasted pick. It was needed.

strato · 11-09-2011, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

Nada..Young Man's on the right track to accomplish great things.

Well looka here...lol..where u been?

jeanpierre · 11-09-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

He's been getting many touches for a rookie with the number of targets and options in this offense...

As has been pointed out, he's got a very good conversion rate; however, his YPC is not near what you'd like to see (not expecting elite numbers, but a healthy 4.2 YPC with a nice 15/20+ yard run per game would be nice)...

As I was saying earlier, fresh rookie with good college body of work going into this offense, yes I expected stronger numbers; plus, the aggressive move to grab him indicated Coach was going to make a committment to him - which he has...

It's his rookie midseason, so he'll have opportunities to crank it up...

11-09-2011, 08:15 PM	#22
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	I'd say no but I don't think we use him enough. strato likes this.

11-09-2011, 09:33 PM	#23
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Well, I have to go with "yes". Not that he has been bad, and he hasn't been used enough for me to expect him to light up the NFL as a rookie. But, really, I haven't seen him do anything that 23 or Ivory couldn't do. With all the injuries that we had at RB last year, I understand the pickup, but once we got the great addition of Sproles taking Ingram was really kind of a waste of a pick. I don't think it was a bad decision to take him, especially not being able to recruit due to the lockout, but I don't think it ended up being the best decision. A kick ass linebacker or O-Line help would have done the team a lot more good. strato and AlaskaSaints like this.
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11-09-2011, 09:36 PM	#24
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by jeanpierre In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected... Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

11-09-2011, 10:11 PM	#27
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Danno I'd have to ask what's meant by disappointed. I'm slightly disappointed he hasn't broken a big gainer yet, but I'm certainly not disappointed in what I've seen from him so far. He's got the balance, quickness, and power I was expecting, but just hasn't had one of those WOW games yet. I do think they will come however and had he played this week I think we would have seen a couple big gainers from him. I'd have to say that's about how I feel about his display up until now; the injury will also afford him an unexpected break and allow him to adjust to the rookie wall so that he can "finish strong" this season...

11-09-2011, 10:18 PM	#29
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Pete Nada..Young Man's on the right track to accomplish great things. Well looka here...lol..where u been?

11-09-2011, 08:13 PM	#21
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	So far - no. If he doesn't show more, then over time - yes

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11-09-2011, 09:51 PM	#25
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	From what I've seen so far I'm skeptical about Ingram's ceiling. While he runs hard, he doesn't seem to have much vision or lateral movement. RBs with that trait are a dime a dozen. P.T. and even Bell this pre-season have impressed me more than Ingram thus far. And I also agree with Duncan that Ivory has more potential, although he can't stay healthy.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	How many carries does he have? Hardly a body of work from which he can be judged fairly. It's a team sport.

11-09-2011, 10:17 PM	#28
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Ingram is doing fine considering we don't commit to the run enough. We had to take a RB in the draft because of the uncertainty of both PT and Ivory coming off of their injuries. Ivory's Lis franc injury is a difficult one to come back from and PT's return from ankle surgery wasn't a sure thing either. And Sproles was picked up after the draft and everybody knew Reggie wouldn't restructure so it wasn't a wasted pick. It was needed.

11-09-2011, 10:28 PM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone. He's been getting many touches for a rookie with the number of targets and options in this offense... As has been pointed out, he's got a very good conversion rate; however, his YPC is not near what you'd like to see (not expecting elite numbers, but a healthy 4.2 YPC with a nice 15/20+ yard run per game would be nice)... As I was saying earlier, fresh rookie with good college body of work going into this offense, yes I expected stronger numbers; plus, the aggressive move to grab him indicated Coach was going to make a committment to him - which he has... It's his rookie midseason, so he'll have opportunities to crank it up...
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