Anyone disappointed with Ingram?

WhoDat!656 · 11-09-2011, 04:27 PM

NFL.com news: Green, Jones lead rookie stars; Ingram among disappointments

strato · 11-09-2011, 04:35 PM

No..he will get better...O-Line hasn't been good all season...and we use too many backs to get a good gauge on him..and for him to get the kind of rhythm that i think he needs..

I do think Ivory when healthy might be a little more explosive...Ingram seems to hesitate but was getting more sure of himself before he got hurt...

I wouldn't pay any attention to what the critics say...we know the team and how they are a pass first team..

Ingram will be fine..i just want to see some 20 plus yard runs and the tough running overall continue.

WhoDat!656 · 11-09-2011, 04:46 PM

I agree.

I think this guy is blaming Ingram for not getting the one yd TD against the Packers.

He should have mentioned that Ingram was injuried against the Colts when the game was over and, IMO, he, as well as the entire starting offense/ defense, should not have been on the field.

Finally, I consider a 4 yd average for a rookie that didn't have any TC to be very good!!

jeanpierre · 11-09-2011, 04:46 PM

From a Saints Fan expectation, I expected a little more; while it was a team effort, getting stuffed in the @GB game on the last play was disappointing in that I thought he'd be a little more special and rise to the occasion...

In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected...

A first round pick, he at least started right away - now let's see if he can be more productive and develop at a rate commensurate with his draft status and investment...

WhoDat!656 · 11-09-2011, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

From a Saints Fan expectation, I expected a little more; while it was a team effort, getting stuffed in the @GB game on the last play was disappointing in that I thought he'd be a little more special and rise to the occasion...

In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected...

A first round pick, he at least started right away - now let's see if he can be more productive and develop at a rate commensurate with his draft status and investment...

Ray Charles & Helen Keller could see that the Packers were set up to stop that run; I doubt there is a RB in football that would have gotten that yard.

If the Saints had rolled Brees and a TE out to either side it would have been a walk-in TD; the 2-point conversion for the tie would have been an iffy proposition.

Memnoch_TP · 11-09-2011, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected...

Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

jeanpierre · 11-09-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

He's been getting many touches for a rookie with the number of targets and options in this offense...

As has been pointed out, he's got a very good conversion rate; however, his YPC is not near what you'd like to see (not expecting elite numbers, but a healthy 4.2 YPC with a nice 15/20+ yard run per game would be nice)...

As I was saying earlier, fresh rookie with good college body of work going into this offense, yes I expected stronger numbers; plus, the aggressive move to grab him indicated Coach was going to make a committment to him - which he has...

It's his rookie midseason, so he'll have opportunities to crank it up...

papz · 11-10-2011, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

From a fantasy perspective, he's been disappointing only for those who overrated and over drafted him. I saw people take him as early as the end of the 3rd round and his ranking was right around the 5th round... which was absurd. As you pointed out, in the type of offense we run and the constant rotation of personnel, he was a big gamble and risk to produce anywhere close to tier 2 RB production. If one was thinking with his head on straight, that's not where you gamble that early in a fantasy draft.

dizzle88 · 11-09-2011, 04:51 PM

The play vs GB at the one yard line was entirely the offensive lines fault, Carl nicks and jermon Bushrod got owned and there were 3 tacklers in the backfield as he got the handoff.
Everyone expects him to do what he did in college, it takes time, we use a lot of running backs and he will get more comfortable. Give him some time and he will deliver.

AllSaints · 11-09-2011, 05:16 PM

no... he is a rookie...

11-09-2011, 04:27 PM	#1
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11-09-2011, 04:57 PM	#5
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Originally Posted by jeanpierre From a Saints Fan expectation, I expected a little more; while it was a team effort, getting stuffed in the @GB game on the last play was disappointing in that I thought he'd be a little more special and rise to the occasion... In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected... A first round pick, he at least started right away - now let's see if he can be more productive and develop at a rate commensurate with his draft status and investment... Ray Charles & Helen Keller could see that the Packers were set up to stop that run; I doubt there is a RB in football that would have gotten that yard. If the Saints had rolled Brees and a TE out to either side it would have been a walk-in TD; the 2-point conversion for the tie would have been an iffy proposition.

11-09-2011, 09:36 PM	#6
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by jeanpierre In fantasy football terms, he's been a huge disappointment when you consider that on a pass first team and with the touches he's gotten, his production is much lower than projected... Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone.

11-09-2011, 10:28 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone. He's been getting many touches for a rookie with the number of targets and options in this offense... As has been pointed out, he's got a very good conversion rate; however, his YPC is not near what you'd like to see (not expecting elite numbers, but a healthy 4.2 YPC with a nice 15/20+ yard run per game would be nice)... As I was saying earlier, fresh rookie with good college body of work going into this offense, yes I expected stronger numbers; plus, the aggressive move to grab him indicated Coach was going to make a committment to him - which he has... It's his rookie midseason, so he'll have opportunities to crank it up...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

11-09-2011, 04:35 PM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	No..he will get better...O-Line hasn't been good all season...and we use too many backs to get a good gauge on him..and for him to get the kind of rhythm that i think he needs.. I do think Ivory when healthy might be a little more explosive...Ingram seems to hesitate but was getting more sure of himself before he got hurt... I wouldn't pay any attention to what the critics say...we know the team and how they are a pass first team.. Ingram will be fine..i just want to see some 20 plus yard runs and the tough running overall continue.

11-10-2011, 08:15 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry JP, but if he is only a fantasy disappointment if you don't know much about fantasy football. With 23 and Sproles, the eventual return of Ivory, and the propensity of the Saints to pass and the quality of our receivers plus the emergence of Graham... No, Ingram is doing better than I thought he would, but he should not have been drafted by anyone. From a fantasy perspective, he's been disappointing only for those who overrated and over drafted him. I saw people take him as early as the end of the 3rd round and his ranking was right around the 5th round... which was absurd. As you pointed out, in the type of offense we run and the constant rotation of personnel, he was a big gamble and risk to produce anywhere close to tier 2 RB production. If one was thinking with his head on straight, that's not where you gamble that early in a fantasy draft.

11-09-2011, 04:51 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	The play vs GB at the one yard line was entirely the offensive lines fault, Carl nicks and jermon Bushrod got owned and there were 3 tacklers in the backfield as he got the handoff. Everyone expects him to do what he did in college, it takes time, we use a lot of running backs and he will get more comfortable. Give him some time and he will deliver.

11-09-2011, 05:16 PM	#10
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	no... he is a rookie...

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