I am TRULY disappointed

FinSaint · 11-12-2011, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fin, I think they've built a very good team from top to bottom. Julio will take pressure off of White and open things up underneath for Gonzalez.

Julio is a great kid. He played HS football right down the street from me.

I don't like them on a rivalry level, but I respect them and what they've done.

I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also.

And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around.

Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with.

strato · 11-12-2011, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also.

And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around.

Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with.

And we know all about trading your whole draft for one player

Danno · 11-12-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also.

And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around.

Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with.

They didn't trade their entire draft though.

They gave up their 2nd and 4th, and next years 1st and 4th. Its a lot of picks but its not an entire draft.

FinSaint · 11-12-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

They didn't trade their entire draft though.

They gave up their 2nd and 4th, and next years 1st and 4th. Its a lot of picks but its not an entire draft.

And that is why I said basically gave up their whole draft.

RockyMountainSaint · 11-11-2011, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I watched their first game and I'm not sure they even tried a pass beyond 30 yards, let alone complete one.

Oh, they try, but 30 yds is the limit of Noodle-Arm Ryan's ability to throw the ball!

GeauxForMore · 11-11-2011, 07:08 PM

I hate the *******.......See I hate them so much I hate to say the name.

homerj07 · 11-11-2011, 09:35 PM

Big Game - for both teams. We both need a win. Which Saints team shows up??

The one last week against Tampa - the onle that bee-atch slapped the Bears OR will it be the POS team that showed up against St L (Y do they have our frippen number???)??

RaginCajun83 · 11-11-2011, 10:45 PM

*uck Atlanta, I really want to see the Saints drop 70 on them. Here's to Harper and Jenkins landing a few "remember me" shots this Sunday

xan · 11-11-2011, 10:51 PM

Somewhat better, but I sense restraint. Pretend your a republican candidate at a debate: red meat for everyone!

I wonder if we are really going to miss Vilma. I wonder if our o-line will realize it hurts less to hit first. I wonder if Brees will look before throwing the check down. I wonder if, three years together, our front seven can pronounce "cutback." Does 3rd and 10+ mean DBs play 12 yards off the receiver? Will any defensive signal mean "man" to some and "zone" to others. Will the refs pay attention, or will white and jones escape drawing pass interference calls when pushing off the defender. Will payton show the imagination of bread mold in the red zone.

CharityMike · 11-11-2011, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Somewhat better, but I sense restraint. Pretend your a republican candidate at a debate: red meat for everyone!

I wonder if we are really going to miss Vilma. I wonder if our o-line will realize it hurts less to hit first. I wonder if Brees will look before throwing the check down. I wonder if, three years together, our front seven can pronounce "cutback." Does 3rd and 10+ mean DBs play 12 yards off the receiver? Will any defensive signal mean "man" to some and "zone" to others. Will the refs pay attention, or will white and jones escape drawing pass interference calls when pushing off the defender. Will payton show the imagination of bread mold in the red zone.

All very good questions. I especially liked the bread mold one.

11-12-2011, 11:06 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Danno Fin, I think they've built a very good team from top to bottom. Julio will take pressure off of White and open things up underneath for Gonzalez. Julio is a great kid. He played HS football right down the street from me. I don't like them on a rivalry level, but I respect them and what they've done. I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also. And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around. Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with. strato likes this.
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11-12-2011, 11:07 AM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also. And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around. Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with. And we know all about trading your whole draft for one player

11-12-2011, 12:10 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not questioning their work overall, because I do agree with you that they've build a very good team while overcoming some very difficult obstacles in the process (f.e. Vick), but I do think that it was a serious miscalculation to basically give up their whole draft for just one player, because they had many other holes to fill also. And Dimitroff himself said in an interview on draft day that they chose this approach because Foolio was the one player in the draft who they felt would make their offense complete and allow Matty Lice to have the option of stretching the field, which had been one of the bigger criticisms made against the Failclowns offense over the past couple of seasons... and I guess they saw it as one of the bigger reasons to why they went down in the playoffs last time around. Trading away your whole draft for one single player is a gamble at the best of times, and it usually doesn't really work out... a concept the Saints' fans are more than familiar with. They didn't trade their entire draft though. They gave up their 2nd and 4th, and next years 1st and 4th. Its a lot of picks but its not an entire draft.

11-12-2011, 12:12 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Danno They didn't trade their entire draft though. They gave up their 2nd and 4th, and next years 1st and 4th. Its a lot of picks but its not an entire draft. And that is why I said basically gave up their whole draft.

11-11-2011, 07:12 PM	#5
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Originally Posted by FinSaint I watched their first game and I'm not sure they even tried a pass beyond 30 yards, let alone complete one. Oh, they try, but 30 yds is the limit of Noodle-Arm Ryan's ability to throw the ball! strato likes this.

11-11-2011, 07:08 PM	#6
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	I hate the *******.......See I hate them so much I hate to say the name.

11-11-2011, 09:35 PM	#7
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Big Game - for both teams. We both need a win. Which Saints team shows up?? The one last week against Tampa - the onle that bee-atch slapped the Bears OR will it be the POS team that showed up against St L (Y do they have our frippen number???)??

11-11-2011, 10:45 PM	#8
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	*uck Atlanta, I really want to see the Saints drop 70 on them. Here's to Harper and Jenkins landing a few "remember me" shots this Sunday

11-11-2011, 10:51 PM	#9
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Somewhat better, but I sense restraint. Pretend your a republican candidate at a debate: red meat for everyone! I wonder if we are really going to miss Vilma. I wonder if our o-line will realize it hurts less to hit first. I wonder if Brees will look before throwing the check down. I wonder if, three years together, our front seven can pronounce "cutback." Does 3rd and 10+ mean DBs play 12 yards off the receiver? Will any defensive signal mean "man" to some and "zone" to others. Will the refs pay attention, or will white and jones escape drawing pass interference calls when pushing off the defender. Will payton show the imagination of bread mold in the red zone. CharityMike likes this.
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11-11-2011, 11:01 PM	#10
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by xan Somewhat better, but I sense restraint. Pretend your a republican candidate at a debate: red meat for everyone! I wonder if we are really going to miss Vilma. I wonder if our o-line will realize it hurts less to hit first. I wonder if Brees will look before throwing the check down. I wonder if, three years together, our front seven can pronounce "cutback." Does 3rd and 10+ mean DBs play 12 yards off the receiver? Will any defensive signal mean "man" to some and "zone" to others. Will the refs pay attention, or will white and jones escape drawing pass interference calls when pushing off the defender. Will payton show the imagination of bread mold in the red zone. All very good questions. I especially liked the bread mold one.

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