Hindsight > Perfect Vision: Cameron Jordan
 

Rookie Cam Jordan, along with Rookie Mark Ingram has done something that no first round pick has done since Sedrlck Ellis Rookie Season - Start...

While it's still early, Jordan was expected to provide fresh legs, along with his fresh mouth, in the pass rush department; well, at least he's keeping his trap shut 'cause he has recorded no sacks and only fourteen tackles to date...

In contrast, rookie Brooks Reed, picked in the second round by Planet Houston has Five Sacks to geaux with twenty-seven (27) tackles; this, after getting replacement time for IR casualty Mario Williams...

Free Agent Andre Carter, formerly a Redskin, has thirty-eight (38) tackles and nine (9) sacks...

So, is Jordan getting it done or does he need better, improved effort?

Jordan is in a 4-man rotation at DE, sometimes 5. He's not gonna put up stats that blow you away.

The bottom line is that you can see flashes from both players. Thats good enough for me.

Good point Danno. It would be nice to see him get some sacks but he does rotate a lot. It does make me wonder what kind of game he would turn in if he was used exclusively. Same with Ingram.

I thought Cam looked pretty good when he was in yesterday. It'd be interesting to see Ingram do something other than take it straight up their throat when everybody and their mother knows that's what he's gonna do....

It's the defensive system, I'm thinkin'. I mean, how does your SS lead the team in sacks? 21 sacks, and nearly half of those are from DB's. He needs to improve, though. It looks as though he is still uncomfortable from lack of experience. I'd like to make an educated guess after the bye, when he gets the opportunity to learn the defense better. Whether he takes that opportunity...well...he's a big boy, and getting paid to get better. If he doesn't over the next couple of years, we've got us a cross between Grant and Sullivan. Ewww...

That's funny...I could have swore Danno made a comment before me. Well....it was there and for the record it was a good point.

Fair statements and assessments, but, no sacks? I mean, none?

We're in Week 11 and I'm having concerns of former NY Jet bust Gholston...

Most indications were that he'd be disruptive with a nice sack stat line...

He got a sack vs bucs on josh freeman, but the refs called the holding penalty on the bucs which got rid of it lol freemans knee was down, I'd like to see him have a bigger role and get some sacks though

Agreed, what does it say that Harper leads in both?

A- Harper' s a real good player
B- GW plays Harper 100% of the time
C- GW places Harper in position to acquire sacks and tackles

Our front 4 does need to step it up and they've looked a little better the last few games, but they still need to improve a lot.

Our LB's are pitiful. Throughout the Atlanta game Turner was hitting the 2nd level exactly where one of our LB's should be but wasn't. Shanle was no where to be seen on numerous runs.

Jury is still out, I think you need to give a good two years before you judge a pick. Some are late bloomers, some have a great first year then suck the next and some come out amazing.

I'm under the assumption that his evaluation said he plays better in a 3-4. He has been underwhelming.

Look if he was doing a good job he'd be playing more plain and simple.

The fact he isn't getting the job done should be a big surprise... he wasn't that fast. He is a serviceable DE at very best.

Granted its his rookie season and you shouldn't really worry if he is worth the pic of not yet... you got to give these guys time to develop and get use to the game.

DE I feel is one of our weakest spots on the team as well as OLB.

Don't both of those other players play in a 3-4 defensive scheme?

Other than that Jordan has actually performed better than I expected with him missing a lot of time in the pre-season because of the contract talks - it's clear he has a very high football IQ and rest will follow.

Well, at least we know which position the Saints are going to target in next year's draft and FA.

Don't know yet whether the 2012 draft will be LB strong, but the Saints have to improve there.

I feel so far, and it may change if they will get their act together, the DT's. They can be dominate, but have not yet, the lb's play has improved over the last 2 games, I hope that continues, the db's start out good but as the game goes on they start to were down. I blame a lot of that on the front 7 if they do a better job up front, our secondary will look good, very good. I feel that if Harper goes down were screwed, he can only take so much.

As well as we all should, because isn't his backup Abdul-Quddus, who is a rookie with limited playing experience? As far as I know Amaya is much better suited to play as a FS, but maybe someone like Torrence could step up...?

Still, it's pretty clear that if Harper goes down the Saints are in big trouble.

3-4, 4-3 doesn't meant squat on this team.

I see us in so many different Defenses more than a 4-3. I tend to like when we are in the 5-2 myself.

Yes, but if the contrasting figures we were given in the beginning of this thread were for two defensive players who play in a 3-4 base defense - then the numbers might not be comparable.

For example, Brooks Reed is an OLB in a Wade Phillips 3-4 base defense, which has made other converted OLBs shine in the past (f.e. DeMarcus Ware). So it would not be a surprise that a rookie who replaces Mario Williams (Ware 2.0) in that spot would be able to accumulate quite nice numbers fairly easily compared to Jordan, because that defensive system requires the LBs to be active in the tackling game.

At least that was my earlier point if you were referring to it in your post.

But, Reed got to the quarterback; Jordan has yet to get to the quarterback; and it's pretty obvious that the Saints Line Collectively has not put any significant pressure on opposing quarterbacks...

GW did the same thing with Sharper - Sharper had better hands though!! (I thought I was gonna die when Harper dropped that int!!)