Three to Focus on: Giants @ Saints, Week 12

Danno · 11-28-2011, 07:49 AM

Three to Focus on: Giants @ Saints, Week 12
November 25th, 2011 | Author: Trey Cunningham

MVP vs. MVP

Both QBs enter this game with impressive stats and, more importantly, a title so few ever attain: Super Bowl MVP. Entering this game, Drew Brees is our second-rated passer at +53.5 with 3,334 yards and 23 TDs, while Eli Manning is our fourth-highest at +32.5 with 2,952 yards and 18 TDs. Both have had to deal with dropped passes (Brees with 21, Manning with 24) while the younger Manning has thrown fewer interceptions (nine) than Brees (11) and has rallied his team from fourth-quarter deficits or ties in five victories while Brees has twice (not including the Atlanta game that was affected in OT by a controversial 4-and-1 attempt). Despite some great clutch performances from Eli, he still has trouble holding onto the ball; he has fumbled six times this season and lost three of those, including last week as he was driving to try and tie the game up against the Eagles. Brees has not fumbled once this year, giving him a clear edge in this aspect of the game. Ball security will be big in this one.

Giants Rushing Attack vs. Saints Defense

The Giants’ running game has been an important part of their offense the last few years, but this season finds them more-than-occasionally struggling to move the chains on the ground; a foot injury to Ahmad Bradshaw (+11.3), sidelining him for three weeks now, hasn’t helped. Against a usually vulnerable Eagles’ run defense last week, the G-Men could mustered only a pathetic 29 yards on the ground between three running backs including Brandon Jacobs - who doesn’t like anything like the bulldozer he once was.

They will be looking to get their ground game back on track against a Saints’ defense that has perennially struggled against the run in recent years; this season being no different as they’ve given up a league-worst 5.2 yards-per-carry.

Saints WR Corps vs. Giants Secondary

The Saints have several receiving threats: rising star tight end Jimmy Graham (+13.7 receiving grade) who leads tight ends with 2.44 Yards per Route Run, and Marques Colston (+7.2) – who has dropped just one of 43 catchable balls that have come his way – lead the way with former Charger halfback Darren Sproles (+2.2) checking in as the most-targeted back in the league.

Pass coverage has been a mixed bag for the G-Men this season. While safety Kenny Phillips (+4.4 coverage grade) and cornerback Aaron Ross (+1.3) have fared well and rookie Prince Amukamara looked great in his debut last week (two passes given up on six targets with an INT), others including Corey Webster (-0.5), Deon Grant (-3.5) and Antrel Rolle (-7.4) have struggled. They will also hope to avoid getting Graham or Sproles matched up against their LBs, who have been below-average in their coverage duties. If their performance against Vince Young, who tore them up with a short passing attack, is any indication, they are in for a long night.

Entire article... https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...aints-week-12/

This game has me worried because the one match-up he doesn't mention is the Giant front four versus our O-line. If the Giants can get pressure on Brees while dropping 7 in coverage, it could be another off night for Brees and company. If we lose, I think this will be the main reason. Brees would have to have a Rams, Browns, Cardinals, Seahawks type game for us not to win and the Giants are built to give us that type of trouble.

strato · 11-28-2011, 08:03 AM

Beer ..beer and more beer...

papz · 11-28-2011, 09:25 AM

Giant front four versus our O-line.

My main concern as well. The Giants use their DL the exact same way the Rams do with just as much, if not more talent on theirs. Hopefully with Strief back into the fold, the Giants won't be able to take our lunch money like the Rams did.

darstep · 11-28-2011, 11:48 AM

If we "allow" pressure with just their front four, it will be a long night.
You would think that this would be a good game to pound the rock 30 times...
Did I just say that? P-Happy-P may surprise me tonight. I really hope he does.
Keeping Tuck and company on their heels, seems like a good way of keeping them off of Brees.
Run the gutt and then pass middle gutt with Graham and Moore - force them to play 1-on-1 on the edges.
This one will be won or loss up front.

|Mitch| · 11-28-2011, 12:08 PM

Theoretically the screen game should slow down their front four, as will the run game if Payton tries...

Our O-Line may surprise us though, they have been improving the past couple of weeks...

Rugby Saint II · 11-28-2011, 01:16 PM

Oline vs. Dline decides the game.

AlaskaSaints · 11-28-2011, 03:12 PM

The Giants D-Line this week, then potentially Suh and theirs next week.

This will be a make or break moment for our line.

Alaska

UK_WhoDat · 11-28-2011, 03:19 PM

Will Drew get 302 yards to head Brady?

darstep · 11-28-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

The Giants D-Line this week, then potentially Suh and theirs next week.

This will be a make or break moment for our line.

Alaska

I agree.
Two weeks in a row, our O-line can prove that they belong in the "top echelon" conversation.
Handle the Giants and the Lions up front (Suh or no Suh), and I'm a believer.
They have looked pretty good of late.
Pretty good, IMO, equates to running the ball effectively.
We know Bres can light it up, but if we can control the LOS, we become unstoppable.

gandhi1007 · 11-28-2011, 06:52 PM

I'm just glad Strief is starting instead of Charlie Brown tonight.

11-28-2011, 07:49 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Three to Focus on: Giants @ Saints, Week 12 Three to Focus on: Giants @ Saints, Week 12 November 25th, 2011 \| Author: Trey Cunningham MVP vs. MVP Both QBs enter this game with impressive stats and, more importantly, a title so few ever attain: Super Bowl MVP. Entering this game, Drew Brees is our second-rated passer at +53.5 with 3,334 yards and 23 TDs, while Eli Manning is our fourth-highest at +32.5 with 2,952 yards and 18 TDs. Both have had to deal with dropped passes (Brees with 21, Manning with 24) while the younger Manning has thrown fewer interceptions (nine) than Brees (11) and has rallied his team from fourth-quarter deficits or ties in five victories while Brees has twice (not including the Atlanta game that was affected in OT by a controversial 4-and-1 attempt). Despite some great clutch performances from Eli, he still has trouble holding onto the ball; he has fumbled six times this season and lost three of those, including last week as he was driving to try and tie the game up against the Eagles. Brees has not fumbled once this year, giving him a clear edge in this aspect of the game. Ball security will be big in this one. Giants Rushing Attack vs. Saints Defense The Giants’ running game has been an important part of their offense the last few years, but this season finds them more-than-occasionally struggling to move the chains on the ground; a foot injury to Ahmad Bradshaw (+11.3), sidelining him for three weeks now, hasn’t helped. Against a usually vulnerable Eagles’ run defense last week, the G-Men could mustered only a pathetic 29 yards on the ground between three running backs including Brandon Jacobs - who doesn’t like anything like the bulldozer he once was. They will be looking to get their ground game back on track against a Saints’ defense that has perennially struggled against the run in recent years; this season being no different as they’ve given up a league-worst 5.2 yards-per-carry. Saints WR Corps vs. Giants Secondary The Saints have several receiving threats: rising star tight end Jimmy Graham (+13.7 receiving grade) who leads tight ends with 2.44 Yards per Route Run, and Marques Colston (+7.2) – who has dropped just one of 43 catchable balls that have come his way – lead the way with former Charger halfback Darren Sproles (+2.2) checking in as the most-targeted back in the league. Pass coverage has been a mixed bag for the G-Men this season. While safety Kenny Phillips (+4.4 coverage grade) and cornerback Aaron Ross (+1.3) have fared well and rookie Prince Amukamara looked great in his debut last week (two passes given up on six targets with an INT), others including Corey Webster (-0.5), Deon Grant (-3.5) and Antrel Rolle (-7.4) have struggled. They will also hope to avoid getting Graham or Sproles matched up against their LBs, who have been below-average in their coverage duties. If their performance against Vince Young, who tore them up with a short passing attack, is any indication, they are in for a long night. Entire article... https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...aints-week-12/ This game has me worried because the one match-up he doesn't mention is the Giant front four versus our O-line. If the Giants can get pressure on Brees while dropping 7 in coverage, it could be another off night for Brees and company. If we lose, I think this will be the main reason. Brees would have to have a Rams, Browns, Cardinals, Seahawks type game for us not to win and the Giants are built to give us that type of trouble. exiled likes this.

11-28-2011, 03:12 PM	#7
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	The Giants D-Line this week, then potentially Suh and theirs next week. This will be a make or break moment for our line. Alaska darstep likes this.

11-28-2011, 05:05 PM	#9
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints The Giants D-Line this week, then potentially Suh and theirs next week. This will be a make or break moment for our line. Alaska I agree. Two weeks in a row, our O-line can prove that they belong in the "top echelon" conversation. Handle the Giants and the Lions up front (Suh or no Suh), and I'm a believer. They have looked pretty good of late. Pretty good, IMO, equates to running the ball effectively. We know Bres can light it up, but if we can control the LOS, we become unstoppable. Danno likes this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Giant front four versus our O-line. My main concern as well. The Giants use their DL the exact same way the Rams do with just as much, if not more talent on theirs. Hopefully with Strief back into the fold, the Giants won't be able to take our lunch money like the Rams did.

11-28-2011, 11:48 AM	#4
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	If we "allow" pressure with just their front four, it will be a long night. You would think that this would be a good game to pound the rock 30 times... Did I just say that? P-Happy-P may surprise me tonight. I really hope he does. Keeping Tuck and company on their heels, seems like a good way of keeping them off of Brees. Run the gutt and then pass middle gutt with Graham and Moore - force them to play 1-on-1 on the edges. This one will be won or loss up front.

11-28-2011, 12:08 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Theoretically the screen game should slow down their front four, as will the run game if Payton tries... Our O-Line may surprise us though, they have been improving the past couple of weeks...

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Oline vs. Dline decides the game.

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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	I'm just glad Strief is starting instead of Charlie Brown tonight.