Why I'm falling out of love with the NFL (slightly)

jnormand · 11-29-2011, 03:54 AM

Excuse the typos please...^, I'm replying from a "smart phone".

95shakinpf · 11-29-2011, 05:55 AM

YES YES YES!! I was waiting for coach to tell the refs "just put flags on thier hips and we'll just play flag F'N football"
I agree that NEITHER of those monster hits were illegal, Brutal hits yes but not illegal!

dizzle88 · 11-29-2011, 06:22 AM

Even the commentators were saying that all the hardest hitting safeties of the past like John lynch etc would struggle in today's NFL, they have ruined the game.
Quddus absolutely smacked nicks and it was with the shoulder pad, are we supposed to let him catch it and gain more yards before we hit him? Come on goodell, man up you pansy!

ScottF · 11-29-2011, 06:47 AM

the Jacobs non-call and Smith leading with the head were ridiculous

the Porter PF was just stupid. He and Robinson whiffed, and then looked like rodeo clowns 5 yards out of bounds

Cruize · 11-29-2011, 07:04 AM

If you don't lead with you head, launch, or go helmet to helmet, it should not be a flag. The Abdul-Quddus call, which I've seen alot in the NFL this year, was horrible. The Smith and Porter calls were horrible. The Harper call wasn't horrilbe because it was late. But I don't think he even knocked the guy down. The Graham call was correct because it was helmet to helmet. What angered me most was after the Smith call, the next time the Saints had the ball, Brees gets hit helmet to helmet and nothing was called.

SaintsBro · 11-29-2011, 11:54 AM

What bothered me was the way that at the very end of the game the Giants players were gang tackling and twisting/body slamming Saint runners to the turf, hard, after progress was stopped and WELL AFTER THE WHISTLE BLEW, and nothing was called, or even said to them by the refs. I mean the game is over, it was garbage time, you lost, that's just kind of uncalled for. You could hear the whistles all over the place and the Giants just ignored it. I dunno. Maybe I'm a wimp, but I didn't like seeing it. It was ugly.

I think the spearing/leading with the helmet thing needs to be re-examined by the league. Because if they are calling it so much, so it happens routinely as a penalty all the time, maybe it should be made into something different -- instead of tacking the 15 yards on, it could just be an extra 5 yards or a new set of downs or something more minor. Make the consequences something more complex, a choice, so that the CHOOSING WHAT TO DO affects the offense, in a coaching sense. Do you take it or do you decline it, type of thing.

I think launching fully, and flying through the air and goring a defenseless guy with the helmet, with malicious intent, that's bad. But just a helmet touching a guy when you make contact, I mean it's a part of the tackle, your head is attached to your body, you can't NOT DO IT.

xan · 11-29-2011, 02:01 PM

If the defender aims low, the penalty won't be called. because defenders "head hunt" hitting above the midsection and head, it is deemed to be unnecessary violence. hitting the hips or legs, not really a problem. the ground will do what a helmet isn't allowed....

saintfan · 11-29-2011, 02:50 PM

Steve Young said after the game last night that they might as well do away with the safety position because you can't play it in the NFL anymore.

Sad, but true.

11-29-2011, 07:04 AM	#5
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	If you don't lead with you head, launch, or go helmet to helmet, it should not be a flag. The Abdul-Quddus call, which I've seen alot in the NFL this year, was horrible. The Smith and Porter calls were horrible. The Harper call wasn't horrilbe because it was late. But I don't think he even knocked the guy down. The Graham call was correct because it was helmet to helmet. What angered me most was after the Smith call, the next time the Saints had the ball, Brees gets hit helmet to helmet and nothing was called.
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11-29-2011, 11:54 AM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	What bothered me was the way that at the very end of the game the Giants players were gang tackling and twisting/body slamming Saint runners to the turf, hard, after progress was stopped and WELL AFTER THE WHISTLE BLEW, and nothing was called, or even said to them by the refs. I mean the game is over, it was garbage time, you lost, that's just kind of uncalled for. You could hear the whistles all over the place and the Giants just ignored it. I dunno. Maybe I'm a wimp, but I didn't like seeing it. It was ugly. I think the spearing/leading with the helmet thing needs to be re-examined by the league. Because if they are calling it so much, so it happens routinely as a penalty all the time, maybe it should be made into something different -- instead of tacking the 15 yards on, it could just be an extra 5 yards or a new set of downs or something more minor. Make the consequences something more complex, a choice, so that the CHOOSING WHAT TO DO affects the offense, in a coaching sense. Do you take it or do you decline it, type of thing. I think launching fully, and flying through the air and goring a defenseless guy with the helmet, with malicious intent, that's bad. But just a helmet touching a guy when you make contact, I mean it's a part of the tackle, your head is attached to your body, you can't NOT DO IT.
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11-29-2011, 03:54 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,758	Excuse the typos please...^, I'm replying from a "smart phone".

11-29-2011, 05:55 AM	#2
95shakinpf Registered Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Picayune,MS Posts: 91	YES YES YES!! I was waiting for coach to tell the refs "just put flags on thier hips and we'll just play flag F'N football" I agree that NEITHER of those monster hits were illegal, Brutal hits yes but not illegal!

11-29-2011, 06:22 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Even the commentators were saying that all the hardest hitting safeties of the past like John lynch etc would struggle in today's NFL, they have ruined the game. Quddus absolutely smacked nicks and it was with the shoulder pad, are we supposed to let him catch it and gain more yards before we hit him? Come on goodell, man up you pansy!

11-29-2011, 06:47 AM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	the Jacobs non-call and Smith leading with the head were ridiculous the Porter PF was just stupid. He and Robinson whiffed, and then looked like rodeo clowns 5 yards out of bounds

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	If the defender aims low, the penalty won't be called. because defenders "head hunt" hitting above the midsection and head, it is deemed to be unnecessary violence. hitting the hips or legs, not really a problem. the ground will do what a helmet isn't allowed....

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Steve Young said after the game last night that they might as well do away with the safety position because you can't play it in the NFL anymore. Sad, but true.