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saintz08 · 02-26-2004, 02:37 AM

New Orleans

The Saints are aiming to improve their situation at cornerback either through free agency or the draft, but they still are working to re-sign veteran CBs Fred Thomas and Fakhir Brown. Sources say head coach Jim Haslett wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t thrilled with the play of Thomas and Brown last season, but heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s looking to keep at least a little continuity in the secondary next season. That being said, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re told the Saints are heavily scouting Virginia Tech CB DeAngelo Hall and Ohio State CB Chris Gamble with the hope that one of them will last until the 18th pick in the draft. Last season, the Saints sat in the same position in the draft, only to trade up to the No. 6 overall pick, where they selected DT Johnathan Sullivan. We hear the possibility that the Saints will trade up again this year isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t quite as strong as it was last year, but if they did make a move, it could include dealing WR DontÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â© Stallworth, who has been a disappointment for the team.

[Edited on 26/2/2004 by saintz08]

WhoDat · 02-26-2004, 10:18 AM

Man, I don\'t want to see Donte go. I really want to see him on the field producing like he should be this season. I\'m not saying that this would be a bad move, I\'m speaking purely emotionally here. I want to see that guy produce. We may need help at WR this season.

How is it that with Haslett, something that is a major strength always becomes a weakness within 2 or 3 years?

SFinAustin · 02-26-2004, 10:39 AM

That major weakness became a \"major\" strengeth under Haslett. Number one, Donte isn\'t going anywhere. Number two, the WR\'s were banged up all season. Don\'t believe everything you read. You may actually start believing it!

WhoDat · 02-26-2004, 11:06 AM

Missing the point. Our D was good when Haslett got here. Now look at it. We went from starting Glover and Johnson on one side to Kenny Smith and Willie Whitehead at one point this season. Our linebackers have gotten worse and worse. We had two very good OTs, now we need at least one OT, and our best is average.

I\'m not saying that Haslett hasn\'t improved parts of this team. I\'m just saying that it seems to me that once a problem is \"fixed\" and made a \"strength\" he focuses elsewhere and that original part falls apart. See WRs, Special Teams, and the Offense at large in 2003.

BlackandBlue · 02-26-2004, 11:20 AM

now we need at least one OT, and our best is average

Being overly harsh this morning, aren\'t we?

saintfan · 02-26-2004, 12:17 PM

Hey Whodat...welcome to the Salary Cap!

:casstet:

ScottyRo · 02-26-2004, 12:38 PM

I would think the problem of having good areas of your team becoming less strong over a course of years is a common problem among most teams in the league. We\'re able to recognize specific instances of this by the Saints because we make a daily evaluation of the current players, potential players, and lost players.

But to bring up Joe Johnson as a failed personnel decision by Haslet is unfair. You can put blame on Mueller for that. The org had a choice to keep either Glover or Johnson and made the wrong choice (even had they been able to retain Johnson). See, had we been able to sign Joe, he\'d likely have suffered the same injuries that have kept him out of most the past two seasons. He was suffereing from torn muscles in his arm and shoulder in his last season with the Saints. That problem has continued for him. Glover would have been the right choice and that is all on Mueller.

jm · 02-26-2004, 12:42 PM

Stallworth just didn\'t seem to recover from that wicked shot he took in the Seattle game.
Or is it just my imagination?

BlackandBlue · 02-26-2004, 12:50 PM

He looked like a pansy during the rest of the game, but it didn\'t last beyond that game.

BrooksMustGo · 02-26-2004, 03:02 PM

I\'m not saying that Haslett hasn\'t improved parts of this team. I\'m just saying that it seems to me that once a problem is \"fixed\" and made a \"strength\" he focuses elsewhere and that original part falls apart.

Haslett \"fixes\" this team in the same sense that a veterenarian \"fixes\" a tomcat.

BTW--If there was ever a year to trade Donte and pick up rookie receiver, this would be the one. There are lot of talented guys coming out this year. The only thing that militates against it is whether we could get any value for Donte.

With guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Mike, Roy and Reggie Williams coming out, who\'s really going to want to give up a decent pick for the hamstring kid?

[Edited on 26/2/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

02-26-2004, 02:37 AM	#1
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	PFW reports New Orleans The Saints are aiming to improve their situation at cornerback either through free agency or the draft, but they still are working to re-sign veteran CBs Fred Thomas and Fakhir Brown. Sources say head coach Jim Haslett wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t thrilled with the play of Thomas and Brown last season, but heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s looking to keep at least a little continuity in the secondary next season. That being said, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re told the Saints are heavily scouting Virginia Tech CB DeAngelo Hall and Ohio State CB Chris Gamble with the hope that one of them will last until the 18th pick in the draft. Last season, the Saints sat in the same position in the draft, only to trade up to the No. 6 overall pick, where they selected DT Johnathan Sullivan. We hear the possibility that the Saints will trade up again this year isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t quite as strong as it was last year, but if they did make a move, it could include dealing WR DontÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â© Stallworth, who has been a disappointment for the team. [Edited on 26/2/2004 by saintz08]
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02-26-2004, 10:18 AM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	PFW reports Man, I don\'t want to see Donte go. I really want to see him on the field producing like he should be this season. I\'m not saying that this would be a bad move, I\'m speaking purely emotionally here. I want to see that guy produce. We may need help at WR this season. How is it that with Haslett, something that is a major strength always becomes a weakness within 2 or 3 years?
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02-26-2004, 10:39 AM	#3
SFinAustin 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176	PFW reports That major weakness became a \"major\" strengeth under Haslett. Number one, Donte isn\'t going anywhere. Number two, the WR\'s were banged up all season. Don\'t believe everything you read. You may actually start believing it!
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02-26-2004, 11:06 AM	#4
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	PFW reports Missing the point. Our D was good when Haslett got here. Now look at it. We went from starting Glover and Johnson on one side to Kenny Smith and Willie Whitehead at one point this season. Our linebackers have gotten worse and worse. We had two very good OTs, now we need at least one OT, and our best is average. I\'m not saying that Haslett hasn\'t improved parts of this team. I\'m just saying that it seems to me that once a problem is \"fixed\" and made a \"strength\" he focuses elsewhere and that original part falls apart. See WRs, Special Teams, and the Offense at large in 2003.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

02-26-2004, 11:20 AM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	PFW reports now we need at least one OT, and our best is average Being overly harsh this morning, aren\'t we?

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02-26-2004, 12:17 PM	#6
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02-26-2004, 12:38 PM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	PFW reports I would think the problem of having good areas of your team becoming less strong over a course of years is a common problem among most teams in the league. We\'re able to recognize specific instances of this by the Saints because we make a daily evaluation of the current players, potential players, and lost players. But to bring up Joe Johnson as a failed personnel decision by Haslet is unfair. You can put blame on Mueller for that. The org had a choice to keep either Glover or Johnson and made the wrong choice (even had they been able to retain Johnson). See, had we been able to sign Joe, he\'d likely have suffered the same injuries that have kept him out of most the past two seasons. He was suffereing from torn muscles in his arm and shoulder in his last season with the Saints. That problem has continued for him. Glover would have been the right choice and that is all on Mueller.

02-26-2004, 12:42 PM	#8
jm 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 133	PFW reports Stallworth just didn\'t seem to recover from that wicked shot he took in the Seattle game. Or is it just my imagination?
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02-26-2004, 12:50 PM	#9
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	PFW reports He looked like a pansy during the rest of the game, but it didn\'t last beyond that game.

02-26-2004, 03:02 PM	#10
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	PFW reports I\'m not saying that Haslett hasn\'t improved parts of this team. I\'m just saying that it seems to me that once a problem is \"fixed\" and made a \"strength\" he focuses elsewhere and that original part falls apart. Haslett \"fixes\" this team in the same sense that a veterenarian \"fixes\" a tomcat. BTW--If there was ever a year to trade Donte and pick up rookie receiver, this would be the one. There are lot of talented guys coming out this year. The only thing that militates against it is whether we could get any value for Donte. With guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Mike, Roy and Reggie Williams coming out, who\'s really going to want to give up a decent pick for the hamstring kid? [Edited on 26/2/2004 by BrooksMustGo]