The hold in the endzone... was it a safety?
 

If you were the ref that reversed the call, how could you explain to me that the hold on Abe was not a safety?

According to what the ref determined, it was a screen play and therefore not a safety.

I need to see it again phocis. Need to see if someone has a copy of that play on Youtube.....

I don't think I've ever seen that before. I'm glad it went in our favor, but I'm confused about why it was reversed. Maybe someone who knows the rules better than me can explain it.

Ask Mike Peirira?

Yea, I'm not one to harp on refs "assisting" a team, but that call was a flagrant as you can get. I understand a few homeristic calls from time to time, but it clearly wasn't the Falcons day to walk into the dome. I could point to 3 other penalties that really could have been called differently, but the most intriguing was the safety call.

I understand a few homeristic calls from time to time,

HEY I resemble tha remark!! :doh:

homertastic

The refs explained it as the RB was trying to get loose, so maybe they are meaning that abraham stopped the RB, and they all got hit together and fell to the ground lol

Did no one hear the explanation? I was there. It was a screen and the lineman was shedding the block. That is a legal play.

Yes it was a legal play.

The play was not reversed... they didn't call a penalty.

And hey... take the word of the refs as the final truth! LOL

Honestly I'll keep an eye out for the play on dvr or somewhere... at the time it wasn't a big deal for me....

We finally had a dubious call go in our favor.

We're now about 23/1 on the bad call for/against ratio.

I remember Gruden and Tirico chiming like Mina birds that it wasn't a screen

That play clearly was not a screen. Brees dropped back to pass and sat for 3 seconds before being flushed out of the pocket to run opposite of any potential blocker. There was no possible screen attempt anywhere on that play.

I'm am gonna look for that play. Officiating is truly getting worse in this league. Yes, some calls will be homer calls, but really the refs have ZERO consequences for calling bad games.

Whether it be the back breaking hit on the Kelley for a potential first down where he was about to be paralyzed it seemed, to where the Saints D jumps offside and the players basically stopped on both sides of the ball knowing it was an offsides penalty, but somehow a late flag was thrown and a "claim" that the OT moved.

Gruden was right, you could hear him in the background the entire game and just reminiscing his days as a coach where the calls were terrible.

Would you like to be at the NFC Championship game and be able to point to some homeristic calls from the opposing teams refs and lose the game by a field goal?

Saints fan or not, we all should agree that the zebras are out of control.

Yes, refs are out of control. And the Saints have been the brunt of their ignorance for far too long. If we happened to have one go our way for a change, then it still doesn't make up for the crappola we have put up with all season long. Far from it!

Agreed. They have been terrible for years. Did you forgot last year's MNF Falcons Saints game when the penalties were 10-2 in ATL's favor and Ryan got a phantom roughing call and Moore got hauled down in the end zone with no PI call?

Bottom line, the game has gotten too fast for the refs, and the replay officials are afraid to overule their co-workers.

Yep, I couldn't agree more. From watching many of the games this season you could see that the refs seem to have too much power. Replay is bound to start justifying some of these calls.

Absolutely. The refs are out of control.... just like the refs not calling a facemask/hitting the QB in the head on that sack on Brees, or how they didn't call pass interference the second Brees INT where the DB clearly hit the WR in the head before the ball got there, or how they didn't call a personal foul when that LB launched at Moore when he clearly had gone down and given himself up, etc etc etc... at least, they finally called pass interference on Roddy White, but that was like 1 out 5-6 that should've been called...

...so yeah, those referees are out of control.

Im a minority. I think the referees do a great job, with ever-changing and endless rules rules and more rules, and rules to determine how you interpret rules. They see things in real time that we have to slow down
over and over again, and still cant really tell. I couldnt do it. 70,000 people screaming at me and large men in my face.... I would be continuously invoking the "do over."

I dont know why, but it bothers me when we get a break. I've never heard of holding being legal on a screen play in my life. I think the guy brain farted, and if you give the Falcons a safety, and the ball back, it does potentially change the dynamic of the game. I want to win fair and square. I'd rather they say, "Man, the Saints kicked their azz," and have
no excuses.

I want to know we really won, in all scenarios.

I agree, I didn't see the play well on TV, and what I saw on TV replay was not enough to determine anything.

I think he was trying to say "no flag" but all that "screen pass" explanation left me scratching my head a bit. It didn't seem big at the time but it would have been a safety if it was holding in the end zone.... just saying.

It was not going to be a safety. After initially throwing the flag, the referee picked it up and moved it to just outside the 1 yard line which meant THAT was the point of the foul. The penalty would have been half the distance.

I think I understand you.

What your saying is that the hold occurred on the one yard line and the ref threw it in the wrong spot. He then picked up the flag and placed it where he saw the penalty occur and then they all decided that the ref was not seeing clearly.

That's the best I've heard yet. Lol.

Why are you coming around now? Why not come around when it looked like your team had a chance in the playoffs?

The explanation was garbled but it was not a safety.

I was invited here. Blame your fellow members.

I still believe the Falcons have a shot, it just didn't look like it Monday night.

I invited phocis850 here. He is a gracious host and mod at atlantafalconstalk.com. For well over a year he has treated me with the utmost respect on his site and deserves the same here.

I just have to ask.... Whats the average age of a Referee in the NFL? Cant be under 50. How is it only the NFL believes that hearing, vision, and reflexes get better with age?

Ok, I looked it up. In 2007 the average age was 51.

Ed (hold-up swole-up) Hochuli is frikken 61!

The refs are not out of control.... They are out of Centrum!

He snipes and you get what you give. Prove me wrong and I have a toaster for him.

I have known him for over a year and he is as cool as it gets. He has defended me on numerous occasions on his board against overzealous Falcons fans. I have more respect for him than several of our members here.

Next time we play ill eat that burnt toast of yours :)

But looking at the average age of 51, im not sure that's a problem really. They do see quite a bit out there. And they don't have eagle eyes when things are moving that fast and their view may be obstructed.

Im not complaining about the missed calls, I'm strictly talking about straight up bad calls and potential fraud.

Good when fans of other teams drop by, and I've been to your site 850 - certainly better than many other Failcone boards I've trolled in the past.

:mrgreen:

Welcome. I'd steer clear of the smack board tho if I were you. :bng:

It wasn't a disrespectful question. I certainly wouldn't go to the Falcons board if the tables were turned. Of course, I wouldn't go to a Falcons board at all.