Most of his interview is after stafford

Play should have been dead once the whistle blew. Saints ball and Detroit getting screwed. The officials did them a favor by giving them possession. They couldn't capitalize on our mistakes and who came back and stomped them. Whether or not Schwartz feel like they beat themselves or not, boo hoo... enjoy the rest of your off season sulking in your own misery.

After a very tough, maybe not totally accurately called game, a very, very, very small coach marched up to the officials and said, "I'm not happy!"
The White Hat looked down at him and asked, "Oh yeah, then which one are you?"

The only difference I see would have been a possible 35 to 52 score. Even in an ideal Detroit world, there's no way they would have won. They played hard, much better than the first game. Congrats to them, it's great to see them back in the playoffs. It'll be good for Schwartz to have a year to grow up a bit.

I actually thought that the refs did a better job this time around than week 13 and there were very few questionable calls made in this game.

The Brees fumble has already been beaten to death - :deadhorse2: - but to reiterate, as the call was originally made it should've been Saints' ball. Now, that wouldn't have been the right call, and the refs did do what they could to correct it by giving the ball to the Lions. But to say that it would've been a TD return is going out on a limb in a big way.

As for Schwartz's comments about the refs having a big impact on the outcome... well that is clear, because if there were no refs it would be total chaos! :-)

But it seems to me that blaming the refs is something that is very popular among the fanbase of the Lions, because even before this game there were threads on their fan sites claiming that the Lions could only win the game if they got a certain officiating crew and in the case of certain crews - they wouldn't have a chance, because there was supposed to be some conspiracy against the Lions.

The Saints were the better team and, furthermore, the Lions suck and they are an immature team - from the players to the HC - that will never become better than what they were this season.... hope they can find some joy in those 1950's championships because they won't be getting any newer ones [purple glasses inserted] :moon:

Correct.
And we have already seen what the likes of Brees will do on that Vikings Brian De La Puente poor communication bad snap fumble when Brees brought that runner down with a tackle worthy of a rugby final.

But I think he did because he read the play as an incomplete pass (and not a fumble).

Hard to imagine the effect of buying a light sword fleshlight by mistake
:no:

That was the offsetting penalties one? I thought both calls were weak.

Problem with this call is the ball has to be inside the pylon. The point of the ball hit the pylon and therefore never crossed the plane inbounds. Last time I looked the pylon is on the ob edge not in the field of play.

Yeah, but on the NBC "super close-up" or whatever they call it they showed the ball pushing the pylon inward, which would in effect mean that the ball crossed the goal line.

Although, when I watched that play frame by frame on my own from the backside perspective - I thought that the left knee was in fact down before the ball touched the pylon, 2 frames before where the NBC froze the play showing the pylon going inward. But the call was called "confirmed," which means that even if they would've called it 4th down on the field, they would've reversed it after a Lions' challenge.

How about something like,

Congratulations to the Saints. They played a great game and won a hard fought victory.

I'm dissappointed with the loss but I'm proud of my guys for a giving it all they had in a difficult situation. Now it's time to move on and start working on making our team better next year.

Something like that? Instead of sounding like a whining little ****.

Actually, the pylon is considered the endzone. Touching the pylon is as good as breaking the plane.

This point was made by the talking heads - Yes they would have more yards BUT not a TD

That's Lame!

OK, that quick whistle after the Brees fumble sucked, but they still had an extra opportunity to get it into the endzone. I also did see a face mask on the Saints that was not called.

BUT, neither of these had anything to do with the Lions defense unable to force the Saints to punt not once in the game!

Schwartz should be happy with the success he's had this season and look towards going further next season!

I hate to say I noticed the pants too...

I think Schwartz has done a good job, but it always appears he codones a thug attitude. I don't look at him as a great leader as much as I do an instigator. The Lions had a good year so I guess it works

excellent. glad you made that point, Toby. I'll bet Bushrod makes another TD saving tackle.

Yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell ... he's done a fantastic job with the team, but there are some definite maturity/attitude issues with the team that correlate directly with the leadership and coaching. Can't say as I speak for all Detroit fans, but I think I'm inline with the rest of the football world with my assessment of Schwartz. I'd like to see a little more discipline and composure on the team.

go Lions.

The thing I did like about the Lions is the underdog status and the long shot team they've been all season. I admit I like an underdog.

I don't like the character of some of the staff and players, however.

If Suh wouldv'e tried to stomp on Brees or one of our players,
the outcome on the field would have been far different, is my guess.

That chest bumping / post game handshake episode and whining like a beatch after the Saints shellacked the Lions, proves a lot about your coach. You seem like a human, but he seems like a douchewagon.

I'd fire his arse.

It's not up to me, but if it was, I wouldn't necessarily fire him . . . the man's got skills . . . I'd take him and a few players aside and give them a period of instruction in good ol' fashioned leadership principles & traits, and then I'd supervise. And don't think I haven't already contacted the team more then once to offer my services . . . at no charge. As a former Marine Corps NCO and combat veteran, I think I'm more then qualified to address that issue with the team. I've handled plenty of young kids in high profile, stressful situations, it's the same all-around . . . handling prima-donna, overpaid, professional athletes would be a walk in the park ... but I think my PTSD is starting to kick in, so I gotta' go.

go Lions.

I'm sure the NFL will have a new "Playoff only Rule" "If the opposing (AKA Saints) quarterback fumbles the ball the defense will be awarded an automatic touchdown"

Jim Schwartz wears ELEVATOR SHOES. He's got little-man syndrome.

Alaska

I'm not sure where this person heard this, but Schwartz did NOT say anything about the officials, whether he said anything about the Saints,
I have no idea... Someone is trying to start rumors....
Good Job Saints, from the Lions fan base, knock San Fran and GB on their asses !!!

Of course he blames the officials......they lost.

Us fans have said plenty, but not about your game, one crazy call would not have changed the outcome of the game last Saturday, now the Green Bay on the other hand, that was just a mugging ..... I read all of the things said by Schwartz, and he's never mentioned anything about the officials for any game....He knows if he did he would be heavily fined, and or lose his job .....

In fairness he got burned badly on that fumble and possible return for a TD. You are looking at being down 21 - 7 at that point if that play counts (which it should have). I'm not sure it still matters in the final result. But it would change the complexion of the game going forward.

No way is that fumble returned for a TD if the refs don't blow the whistle - at best you would be looking at a gain of some 15 yards. We've already seen how, for example, Bushrod can make tracks.

That might have been returned. There was a pretty wide open field back there. Nobody was back. He could have returned it. If so you are looking at a 21 - 7 Lions lead and a totally different game.

Yesterday was "clean out your locker" day in the Allen Park, MI training facility of the Lions. Season's over, it was an up-and-down year for us, but overall, a good year. Time to move forward and either play some golf, do some fishing, or watch the rest of the playoffs . . . my point being, it's a moot point, it's a conversation for the Lions boards now.

Let these guys focus on SFran.

lionsfan54 wrote:


If you watched Schwartz's post game press conference, he said exactly what this thread is about. Go to the transcript or watch the youtube.

Not a rumor. Reality is not a rumor unless you're running for public office.

Look at 2:51 in the clip. The whistle had already blown. Robert Meachem is standing 5 yards to the right. No way this would be a td return if the whistle hadn't blown.
NFL Game Center: Detroit Lions at New Orleans Saints - 2011 Wild Card Weekend

I went back and listened to the presser after the game, the only time he mentions the officials his about the fumble, his quote was
"Usually they let a play like that play out, this time they decided to blow the whistle"
The other time he mentioned the refs was when he said
"They let them play (Lions AND Saints) they made it clear they're not going to have any "Holding Calls" ...."
But that went for both teams, we weren't called for holding either..
I don't hear him saying
"THE REFS COST US THE GAME"
I think this is a matter of your hearing what you want to hear, and I
hearing what I want to hear, because we cheer for opposite teams...
One fumble even had it been a touchdown probably wouldn't make a lick of difference to the final outcome, your team came out on fire in the second half, that was what cost the Lions that game !!!!!

Now go kick the 9ers ass in to the San Fran bay !!!!!!
Then smack Harbaugh right in mouth !!!

Not sure it would have made a difference. But they blew the whistle too early.

Wow, the refs made a mistake? Now there is a change, lol. Moving on........

A BIG MISTAKE in your favor. Could have been down 21 - 7. LOL.

You keep living in "COULD HAVE BEEN" land, SanDiego49er. That will continue for you through next week, bud.

Stuff that into your fortune cookie and then open it as if you are surprised!


Alaska