Wouldn't/doesn't forward progress apply here?

WhoDat!656 · 01-10-2012, 12:13 AM

In another weird play, Brees, on a 4th-and-a-foot call, leaped over the line, stuck the ball out long enough to get the ball past the first-down marker, then pulled it back as he was swarmed by the Lions. Looked like he voluntarily pulled it back, which, of course, would have meant he didn't have the forward progress for the first down. But the officials on the field gave him forward progress.

Read more: Tim Tebow, Demaryius Thomas lift Broncos to surprising win over Pittsburgh Steelers - Peter King - SI.com

|Mitch| · 01-10-2012, 12:26 AM

Do we expect anything less from Peter King?

Crusader · 01-10-2012, 12:31 AM

King has a point, if you voluntarily move the ball backwards you loose the forward progress, if you run backwards for example. Same thing should come into play when it comes to stretching the ball out.

Beastmode · 01-10-2012, 12:45 AM

And when has a ref ever called back a first down stretch that was pulled back? I've never seen it.

Crusader · 01-10-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

And when has a ref ever called back a first down stretch that was pulled back? I've never seen it.

No it doesn't happen but what I'm saying is that technicaly it would be a correct call the way I understand the rules.

Beastmode · 01-10-2012, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

No it doesn't happen but what I'm saying is that technicaly it would be a correct call the way I understand the rules.

I think it's just one of those thing that will never be scrutinized by the refs.
Example; When a 20 yard field goal is kicked with 4 seconds left. We all know it doesn't take 4 seconds, but the time magically disappears. I'd have to go back and look at the play but even still, it was inches. So he pulls it back, likely falls on his own center, an scoots forward without ever touching the ground. This is what happens on most of these types of plays which is likely why they never really bother to dig in the weeds on it.

UK_WhoDat · 01-10-2012, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I think it's just one of those thing that will never be scrutinized by the refs.
Example; When a 20 yard field goal is kicked with 4 seconds left. We all know it doesn't take 4 seconds, but the time magically disappears. .......

It would be quite funny, if the goalposts li up when time expired or alternatively the matchday clock showed 0.2 seconds remaining as the ball sailed through....... NOT

jokeray · 01-10-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

And when has a ref ever called back a first down stretch that was pulled back? I've never seen it.

I know, right? Sounds like a no win situation. he's on top of a pile, so if he holds it out there, the lions would knock it out of his hands, but if he pulls it back that distance doesn't count? Peter King is a tool for even suggesting this, and for giving Lions fans more ammunition to claim the refs screwed the Lions. Thanks Peter!

QBREES9 · 01-10-2012, 12:53 AM

Peter King, whatever.

vpheughan · 01-10-2012, 07:08 AM

Great gig being a sports writer. Can't lose. Always write an article about "What If" or "Did you notice?" If it wasn't called when it happened IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!! I live near Indy and the radio talking heads all year "The Polians, The Polians, The Polians." They get canned and now it's "Was it the right move?" Like I said great gig!!

01-10-2012, 12:13 AM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Wouldn't/doesn't forward progress apply here? In another weird play, Brees, on a 4th-and-a-foot call, leaped over the line, stuck the ball out long enough to get the ball past the first-down marker, then pulled it back as he was swarmed by the Lions. Looked like he voluntarily pulled it back, which, of course, would have meant he didn't have the forward progress for the first down. But the officials on the field gave him forward progress. Read more: Tim Tebow, Demaryius Thomas lift Broncos to surprising win over Pittsburgh Steelers - Peter King - SI.com

01-10-2012, 12:26 AM	#2
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01-10-2012, 01:19 AM	#5
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Originally Posted by Beastmode And when has a ref ever called back a first down stretch that was pulled back? I've never seen it. No it doesn't happen but what I'm saying is that technicaly it would be a correct call the way I understand the rules.

01-10-2012, 01:35 AM	#6
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by Crusader No it doesn't happen but what I'm saying is that technicaly it would be a correct call the way I understand the rules. I think it's just one of those thing that will never be scrutinized by the refs. Example; When a 20 yard field goal is kicked with 4 seconds left. We all know it doesn't take 4 seconds, but the time magically disappears. I'd have to go back and look at the play but even still, it was inches. So he pulls it back, likely falls on his own center, an scoots forward without ever touching the ground. This is what happens on most of these types of plays which is likely why they never really bother to dig in the weeds on it.
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01-10-2012, 12:31 AM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	King has a point, if you voluntarily move the ball backwards you loose the forward progress, if you run backwards for example. Same thing should come into play when it comes to stretching the ball out.

01-10-2012, 06:56 AM	#7
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by Beastmode I think it's just one of those thing that will never be scrutinized by the refs. Example; When a 20 yard field goal is kicked with 4 seconds left. We all know it doesn't take 4 seconds, but the time magically disappears. ....... It would be quite funny, if the goalposts li up when time expired or alternatively the matchday clock showed 0.2 seconds remaining as the ball sailed through....... NOT

01-10-2012, 08:29 AM	#8
jokeray Jackwagon! Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 211	Originally Posted by Beastmode And when has a ref ever called back a first down stretch that was pulled back? I've never seen it. I know, right? Sounds like a no win situation. he's on top of a pile, so if he holds it out there, the lions would knock it out of his hands, but if he pulls it back that distance doesn't count? Peter King is a tool for even suggesting this, and for giving Lions fans more ammunition to claim the refs screwed the Lions. Thanks Peter!
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01-10-2012, 12:53 AM	#9
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Peter King, whatever.

01-10-2012, 07:08 AM	#10
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,544	Great gig being a sports writer. Can't lose. Always write an article about "What If" or "Did you notice?" If it wasn't called when it happened IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!! I live near Indy and the radio talking heads all year "The Polians, The Polians, The Polians." They get canned and now it's "Was it the right move?" Like I said great gig!!
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