The "Do-Nothing" Franchise

saintz08 · 03-16-2004, 01:23 AM

Haslett is the coach and none of us can do anything about it except deal with it unless you wish to trade your alliances to say the Redskins or Falcons

Deal with it . On this subject matter it can be interpreted in a few ways .

Some have sent back their season ticket renewal notices with a note saying \" not until you address the problems \" .

My personal favorite , the newspaper section before the Super Bowl with the Jake Delhomme picture on it , sent to Airline drive with the words \" Shoulda Woulda Coulda \" written in bold red lettering . Under that written \" It\'s called talent evaluation \" .

Some will swallow anything .

I like to see what they are trying to feed me .......

Deal with it , some do it differently ......

deadflatbird · 03-16-2004, 09:08 AM

Well I for one wanted a change in the coaching staff... but that isn\'t going to happen obviously so I am having to deal with that but... I am no expert either just critic with an opinion. When the Roster is set and the first kick-off starts... I\'ll have to deal with it. When there are 12-4 0r 4-12... I\'ll some how deal with it. I think you are right the only option we have has fans is not buy tickets.

Danno · 03-16-2004, 01:13 PM

All this from the same guys who told us not to get upset about the Orlando Ruff signing last year.

Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t think anyone claimed he was the next Ray Lewis. Most thought he\'d be a decent pick-up, especially against the run. He was an early season bust who improved as the year went on. But I\'ll give you he didn\'t quite live up to expectations, but he was an improvement over the previous year\'s MLB.
We could have done a lot worse.

All of this from the guys who told us Ambrose had a few good years left and that the defense would be top ten or fifteen.

Which guys are you referring to? Everyone assumed he was brought in to be a nickle back. He was exactly what we expected him to be.
I thought the defense improved quite a bit from 2002. If it weren\'t for catostophic injuries, this D may have indeed rose to around 15th.

Looks like the same guys are saying the same things they said last year.

Which guys are you referring to? I think the hot topic last year was CB or DL? I also think most of the conversation was about overpaying Gandy and Jones. I don\'t think anyone is saying we overpaid for free agents this year. What is being repeated this year?

Certain other people (yes that includes me) are unhappy with the Saints showing in the offseason... but the same people that have been telling us to trust the coaches for two seasons are telling us to do it again. Sorry, still not buying. By the way, how did all that trusting the coaches pan out last season?

Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis.

And over the next three years you\'ll hear the same guys telling you not to get upset when the 3rd most money available under the cap doesn\'t buy you the ONE MLB and ONE CB you need to be a true contender.

Which guys will that be? I certainly won\'t get upset when we have more than enough money to re-sign our two best players, McAllister and Howard, ensuring they won\'t be cap casualties next year and scooped up by Danny Boy Sneider.

OK guys, we\'ll all just sit by and feel blessed that Benson hasn\'t taken the team out of the state yet... right?

I\'m kinda happy he hasn\'t moved us yet, aren\'t you?

saintz08 · 03-16-2004, 01:35 PM

Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis.

Shall we start here ???

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=2461#pid19858

Danno · 03-16-2004, 02:14 PM

Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis.

Shall we start here ???

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=2461#pid19858

One person? He hasn\'t even posted on this topic yet?
I haven\'t heard from him in weeks. So I know WhoDat wasn\'t talking about him, since he hasn\'t commented on free agency yet.
Try starting somewhere else, shall we?
One person doesn\'t imply \"the same guys\"

iceshack149 · 03-16-2004, 03:12 PM

Best case scenario is that we are 1 game off of .500.

Wow! In all my years as a Saints fan I\'ve never wanted anything less than success for my favorite team. This kind of thinking is foreign to me. Regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) on the team or the coaching staff, all I ever want is success.
We\'ve all had to watch some pretty bad Saints teams in the past and I personally think that this is one of the best teams that the organization has ever had. And that includes our quarterback.

How can a person be a fan if they want their \"favorite\" team to fail?

saintfan · 03-16-2004, 03:35 PM

Wow! In all my years as a Saints fan I\'ve never wanted anything less than success for my favorite team. This kind of thinking is foreign to me. Regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) on the team or the coaching staff, all I ever want is success.
We\'ve all had to watch some pretty bad Saints teams in the past and I personally think that this is one of the best teams that the organization has ever had. And that includes our quarterback.

How can a person be a fan if they want their \"favorite\" team to fail?

I\'d suggest you get used to this kind of thinking around here. There are still some of us who agree with you whole-heartedly, but I warn you -- you\'re in the minority. Negativity and Pessimism rule the day here. I do, however, welcome you into the battle. We need Fans like you!

I think some of these people are really Redskins fans.

I KNOW some of these people are Panthers fans.

I think they just come here to stir trouble.

[Edited on 16/3/2004 by saintfan]

BlackandBlue · 03-16-2004, 03:46 PM

I think they just come here to stir trouble.

Yep, that\'s it.

Let me ask all you \"follow the leaders\", if you were to go to a restaurant that had no menu, would you eat whatever they decided to serve you? People question the leadership of this country all the time, that doesn\'t make them any less american than you or I. Do you think that the fans of the Blackhawks (Chicago; NHL) should continue following a team who\'s owner could care less whether or not he goes to the playoffs, just as long as he turns a profit? I\'m not saying I\'m no longer a Saints fan, but to not have the ability to question the moves made by management, that reeks of totalitarianism, and so therefore I will not stand by and listen to you degrade the United States of America!!!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, please, no need for applause :P

[Edited on 16/3/2004 by BlackandBlue]

saintfan · 03-16-2004, 03:56 PM

I just puked on my keyboard.

BlackandBlue · 03-16-2004, 04:05 PM

Choke, you totalitarianist- there\'s no room for you in this free country of ours! :P

03-16-2004, 01:23 AM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Haslett is the coach and none of us can do anything about it except deal with it unless you wish to trade your alliances to say the Redskins or Falcons Deal with it . On this subject matter it can be interpreted in a few ways . Some have sent back their season ticket renewal notices with a note saying \" not until you address the problems \" . My personal favorite , the newspaper section before the Super Bowl with the Jake Delhomme picture on it , sent to Airline drive with the words \" Shoulda Woulda Coulda \" written in bold red lettering . Under that written \" It\'s called talent evaluation \" . Some will swallow anything . I like to see what they are trying to feed me ....... Deal with it , some do it differently ......
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020

03-16-2004, 09:08 AM	#12
deadflatbird 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 255	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Well I for one wanted a change in the coaching staff... but that isn\'t going to happen obviously so I am having to deal with that but... I am no expert either just critic with an opinion. When the Roster is set and the first kick-off starts... I\'ll have to deal with it. When there are 12-4 0r 4-12... I\'ll some how deal with it. I think you are right the only option we have has fans is not buy tickets.

03-16-2004, 01:13 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise All this from the same guys who told us not to get upset about the Orlando Ruff signing last year. Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t think anyone claimed he was the next Ray Lewis. Most thought he\'d be a decent pick-up, especially against the run. He was an early season bust who improved as the year went on. But I\'ll give you he didn\'t quite live up to expectations, but he was an improvement over the previous year\'s MLB. We could have done a lot worse. All of this from the guys who told us Ambrose had a few good years left and that the defense would be top ten or fifteen. Which guys are you referring to? Everyone assumed he was brought in to be a nickle back. He was exactly what we expected him to be. I thought the defense improved quite a bit from 2002. If it weren\'t for catostophic injuries, this D may have indeed rose to around 15th. Looks like the same guys are saying the same things they said last year. Which guys are you referring to? I think the hot topic last year was CB or DL? I also think most of the conversation was about overpaying Gandy and Jones. I don\'t think anyone is saying we overpaid for free agents this year. What is being repeated this year? Certain other people (yes that includes me) are unhappy with the Saints showing in the offseason... but the same people that have been telling us to trust the coaches for two seasons are telling us to do it again. Sorry, still not buying. By the way, how did all that trusting the coaches pan out last season? Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis. And over the next three years you\'ll hear the same guys telling you not to get upset when the 3rd most money available under the cap doesn\'t buy you the ONE MLB and ONE CB you need to be a true contender. Which guys will that be? I certainly won\'t get upset when we have more than enough money to re-sign our two best players, McAllister and Howard, ensuring they won\'t be cap casualties next year and scooped up by Danny Boy Sneider. OK guys, we\'ll all just sit by and feel blessed that Benson hasn\'t taken the team out of the state yet... right? I\'m kinda happy he hasn\'t moved us yet, aren\'t you?

03-16-2004, 01:35 PM	#14
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis. Shall we start here ??? http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=2461#pid19858
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020

03-16-2004, 02:14 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis. Shall we start here ??? http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=2461#pid19858 One person? He hasn\'t even posted on this topic yet? I haven\'t heard from him in weeks. So I know WhoDat wasn\'t talking about him, since he hasn\'t commented on free agency yet. Try starting somewhere else, shall we? One person doesn\'t imply \"the same guys\"

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03-16-2004, 03:12 PM	#16
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Best case scenario is that we are 1 game off of .500. Wow! In all my years as a Saints fan I\'ve never wanted anything less than success for my favorite team. This kind of thinking is foreign to me. Regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) on the team or the coaching staff, all I ever want is success. We\'ve all had to watch some pretty bad Saints teams in the past and I personally think that this is one of the best teams that the organization has ever had. And that includes our quarterback. How can a person be a fan if they want their \"favorite\" team to fail?
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03-16-2004, 03:35 PM	#17
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Wow! In all my years as a Saints fan I\'ve never wanted anything less than success for my favorite team. This kind of thinking is foreign to me. Regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) on the team or the coaching staff, all I ever want is success. We\'ve all had to watch some pretty bad Saints teams in the past and I personally think that this is one of the best teams that the organization has ever had. And that includes our quarterback. How can a person be a fan if they want their \"favorite\" team to fail? I\'d suggest you get used to this kind of thinking around here. There are still some of us who agree with you whole-heartedly, but I warn you -- you\'re in the minority. Negativity and Pessimism rule the day here. I do, however, welcome you into the battle. We need Fans like you! I think some of these people are really Redskins fans. I KNOW some of these people are Panthers fans. I think they just come here to stir trouble. [Edited on 16/3/2004 by saintfan]

03-16-2004, 03:46 PM	#18
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise I think they just come here to stir trouble. Yep, that\'s it. Let me ask all you \"follow the leaders\", if you were to go to a restaurant that had no menu, would you eat whatever they decided to serve you? People question the leadership of this country all the time, that doesn\'t make them any less american than you or I. Do you think that the fans of the Blackhawks (Chicago; NHL) should continue following a team who\'s owner could care less whether or not he goes to the playoffs, just as long as he turns a profit? I\'m not saying I\'m no longer a Saints fan, but to not have the ability to question the moves made by management, that reeks of totalitarianism, and so therefore I will not stand by and listen to you degrade the United States of America!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you, please, no need for applause :P [Edited on 16/3/2004 by BlackandBlue]
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03-16-2004, 03:56 PM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise I just puked on my keyboard.

03-16-2004, 04:05 PM	#20
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	The "Do-Nothing" Franchise Choke, you totalitarianist- there\'s no room for you in this free country of ours! :P